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re: The Trump Wall could save America $64B
Posted on 2/18/17 at 4:36 pm to Dead End
Posted on 2/18/17 at 4:36 pm to Dead End
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The wall would save money in the long term
How?
So long as there are shovels to dig tunnels, an ocean to circumvent, or ladders/cataputs/etc. to go over, a wall doesn't effectively stop anyone...except maybe an isolated singular person with major physical disabilities who is attempting to come on their own with zero help...and I'm willing to bet those numbers are in the single digits per year.
Additionally, additional upkeep costs will further add to its perpetual cost.
With no source of revenue and little to no effect on its intended purpose, "The Wall" is not and would not be saving anyone any money..near, short, or long term.
The Great Wall of China's effectiveness was its incredible communication system and substantial (almost endless) staffing. Neither of which is part of "The Wall" plans.
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If most illegals work off the books and don't pay taxes while utilizing taxpayer supported services in the U.S., why is it unreasonable to suggest that they are a a net drain?
Their impact on the price of goods and services. Economists have concluded they are a net positive economically. They do pay some sorts of taxes (sales tax, etc). Some even pay income taxes. I'd much rather we fix our legal immigration system to be much more swift and effective, which would eliminate the other issues. But, that is a political death vote.
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Is any of that racist?
No. I just think that most anti-immigration people have faulty information and positions that are so narrowly focused, they fail to incorporate the nuances and other related pieces. I don't think it is with malice that these positions are taken, rather out of fear (mostly of the unknown, nameless, faceless "immigrant")
This post was edited on 2/18/17 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 2/18/17 at 4:45 pm to 5thTiger
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Their impact on the price of goods and services.
Their impact on the prices of goods and services is net zero. Yes they lower labor costs, which shifts the supply curve right, but they also increase demand which shifts demand curve right.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 4:50 pm to 5thTiger
A wall would represent significant logistical problems for illegals, especially those brought in in bulk. Box trucks don't drive over walls or through tunnels. A wall would reset the game and force them to adjust their tactics which we could then counter adjust to with a blank slate.
The walls/barriers that were erected in California and Arizona pushed the crossers to other areas without walls/barriers so that is anecdotal but significant evidence that the barriers are effective to some extent.
I don't think a wall would do much for drugs because the cartels have resources and ingenuity but it is silly to say that a wall is not an important part of an over all strategy to keep Mexico and Central America from just emptying into our country.
The walls/barriers that were erected in California and Arizona pushed the crossers to other areas without walls/barriers so that is anecdotal but significant evidence that the barriers are effective to some extent.
I don't think a wall would do much for drugs because the cartels have resources and ingenuity but it is silly to say that a wall is not an important part of an over all strategy to keep Mexico and Central America from just emptying into our country.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 4:56 pm to 5thTiger
Is it your stance that it is to the over all advantage of the United States as a whole to incorporate millions upon millions of low skilled, poorly educated and non-English speaking peoples into our country?
This seems to be your de facto stance.
Am I wrong?
Over all.
I'm not talking about you cherry picking anecdotal, peripheral advantages such as exploitative cheap manual labor.
This seems to be your de facto stance.
Am I wrong?
Over all.
I'm not talking about you cherry picking anecdotal, peripheral advantages such as exploitative cheap manual labor.
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