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re: Let's talk about corporate donations to PAC's, campaigns, and any political org.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:55 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:55 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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money is not speech
Why not?
Because money is money and speech is speech. The ramifications of money=speech is that if you have no money, you have no speech. That is anathema to the Constitution.
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If we decide corporations cannot contribute, then neither should any other organization. It should be limited to individuals only. If other types of organizations can contribute, then corporations should be as well.
The problem comes in with petitioning the government for redress of grievances. The People maintain the right to assemble for this petition.
But seeing as how, under law, the sole responsibility of a corporation is to increase shareholder value - with no consideration for the welfare of the People required, I do believe they should not have full status as persons under the law.
It is rather complicated, however.
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 5:08 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Because money is money and speech is speech. The ramifications of money=speech is that if you have no money, you have no speech. That is anathema to the Constitution.
Um, no. This would only be true if there are no other types of speech. By this same logic, if speaking is speech and you can't speak, then you have no speech.
Money in and of itself is not speech. It is the use of said money as a form of expressing one's views and opinions that makes it speech. It is a tool for providing speech.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 5:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But seeing as how, under law, the sole responsibility of a corporation is to increase shareholder value - with no consideration for the welfare of the People required, I do believe they should not have full status as persons under the law.
I wouldn't necessarily agree that there is no welfare consideration required. There are quite a lot of reasons why the welfare of the people is required by corporations when making decisions beyond just shareholder value. Legally speaking, corporations do have more responsibility than just shareholder value. That is indisputable.
Corporations do at this time have the right to assemble to petition for redress of grievances as well. Now, if you want to make an argument that they shouldn't, I'll disagree with you, but I won't stop you from making that argument.
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