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re: Your occasional reminder that global warming is real,
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:41 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Right, but actual emissions have risen exponentially. Exponential forcing + logarithmic feedback = close-to-linear rise (I say close because obviously they aren't perfect inverses).
Cutting to the chase relative to AGW, positive feedback results in a nonlinear CO2=>Temp relationship. i.e., With increases of atmospheric CO2, there is a declination in its collective greenhouse effect.
The point being, PF would not eliminate forcing contribution at any concentration, nor of course would it reverse the effect. In other words, PF has nothing to do with "off-switch" or cooling.
With an implied progressive declination of effect, we've also previously discussed PF as undercutting of AGW alarmism.
So GMST will continue to increase until we stop emitting GHGs, at which point it will coast for a few more decades on feedbacks (such as oceanic outgassing, and others such as ice-albedo) and then settle on a new baseline.
This is why I don't understand your contention that CO2 driving temperature requires the existence of some kind of "off-switch." The off switch is to stop emitting. All positive feedback means is that the rise in temperature wouldn't be arrested immediately even if we magically developed fusion power tomorrow.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 5:35 pm to Iosh
quote:CO2 driving temperature doesn't "require" an off switch. Temperature characteristics within our biosphere do. The result is a plummet to glaciation. The process is repetitive, cyclical, and substantially predates any anthropogenic influence.
This is why I don't understand your contention that CO2 driving temperature requires the existence of some kind of "off-switch."
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:31 pm to Iosh
You guys are delusional
When I was growing up, the same amount of fear was spread with the ozone hole hysteria. Despite those manmade chemicals being banned in 1979, the largest the hole ever got was in 2006, the 2nd largest was 2015.
The thinnest the ozone ever got was 1994 (92). Today its at (124). Wanna know what it was in 1979 at the height of the panic (225). That's right 225. And yet we are now at half the ozone since man 'did something' to fix it, and yet no panic today. Hmmmmmm
Climate science is much BS, Its just a way to funnel grant money, travel, and speaking fees to scientists
When I was growing up, the same amount of fear was spread with the ozone hole hysteria. Despite those manmade chemicals being banned in 1979, the largest the hole ever got was in 2006, the 2nd largest was 2015.
The thinnest the ozone ever got was 1994 (92). Today its at (124). Wanna know what it was in 1979 at the height of the panic (225). That's right 225. And yet we are now at half the ozone since man 'did something' to fix it, and yet no panic today. Hmmmmmm
Climate science is much BS, Its just a way to funnel grant money, travel, and speaking fees to scientists
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