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Another Star Wars: Doesn't episode 7 nullify Anakin/Vader as "The Chosen One" ?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:26 am
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:26 am
Remember the prophecy that Anakin was the chosen one? Conceived by the force etc., etc., and he was the one meant to bring balance to the force and destroy the sith. As it turns out, despite his turn to the dark side he still destroyed the sith (threw darth sidious down into the shaft will being hit with force lightning), and with that he fulfilled he destiny at "The Chosen One". George Lucas confirmed that exactly.
Now that there are obviously still "sith" running around in episode 7, doesn't that mean Anakin never truly destroyed all of the Sith?
Now that there are obviously still "sith" running around in episode 7, doesn't that mean Anakin never truly destroyed all of the Sith?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:35 am to tiggerthetooth
I thought the prophesy of the chosen one was only "to bring balance to the force". Issue was the Jedi misinterpreted that as meaning destroy the Sith when in actuality it just meant Balance
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:39 am to tiggerthetooth
well, I think when JJ Abrams was asked this a couple years ago he said they were not sith just users of the dark side of the force.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 6:34 am to tiggerthetooth
1. The prophecy bit is just bad prequel writing so I wouldn't dwell on it too much
2. They don't say he will bring balance and that it will last forever and that nobody will ever be bad again
2. They don't say he will bring balance and that it will last forever and that nobody will ever be bad again
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:44 am to tiggerthetooth
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Now that there are obviously still "sith" running around in episode 7, doesn't that mean Anakin never truly destroyed all of the Sith?
Kylo Ren isn't a sith, and we have no proof that Supreme Leader Snoke is either.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:03 am to tiggerthetooth
Balance doesn't mean no dark and no light. I believe you were the one asking about the clone wars series the other day. It has a three episode trilogy in season 3 which explains what exactly balance means. For there to be balance there must be dark and light, you cannot have one without the other. The problem was both the Jedi and Sith were using their preferred side to try and manipulate the force and tip the balance in their favor.
There are more force using groups than just the jedi & sith. Balance goes beyond just them. They were the two parties that were both guilty of the imbalance. Jedi through their dogmatic views and use of political influence and the sith for obvious reasons
For Anakin to bring balance, he had to purge the Jedi of their dogmatic views first before he eliminated the Sith. Balance was finally achieved when no active force user group was able to tip the balance too far in either light or dark direction.
So, no, 7 does not nullify that. Do I expect Abrams to be lazy and make a "new" chosen one? Absolutely and I will be very disappointed when it happens.
There are more force using groups than just the jedi & sith. Balance goes beyond just them. They were the two parties that were both guilty of the imbalance. Jedi through their dogmatic views and use of political influence and the sith for obvious reasons
For Anakin to bring balance, he had to purge the Jedi of their dogmatic views first before he eliminated the Sith. Balance was finally achieved when no active force user group was able to tip the balance too far in either light or dark direction.
So, no, 7 does not nullify that. Do I expect Abrams to be lazy and make a "new" chosen one? Absolutely and I will be very disappointed when it happens.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:58 am to tiggerthetooth
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Now that there are obviously still "sith" running around in episode 7, doesn't that mean Anakin never truly destroyed all of the Sith?
Any Jedi can still turn to the Dark Side. Doesn't necessarily make them Sith, it just means there is a light and a dark side.
This is why many expect Kylo to eventually turn to the light and Rey turn to the dark side.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:56 am to tiggerthetooth
There were sith before DV, there are sith after DV, there always has to be a balance of good vs evil. That's how the universe works.
Death follows life and vice versa.
Death follows life and vice versa.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:38 am to tiggerthetooth
He brought balance to the force. The prophecy didn't say the balance would last forever. The story, though, was more about a messiah who failed than a messiah who succeeded.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:17 pm to tiggerthetooth
That's just another dumb prequel thing that we should pretend doesn't exist. It didn't make sense even before the new movies.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:54 pm to tiggerthetooth
Lucas was a visionary turned idiot. His fricking neck gives it away.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:36 pm to tiggerthetooth
I think they're leaning heavily on the whole, "THEY USE RED LIGHTSABERS, THEY WEAR BLACK, THEY USE THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SITH" thing.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:29 pm to tiggerthetooth
anakins destiny was to kill the Dark Overlord, Palpatine, the Sith lord.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:23 pm to tiggerthetooth
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As it turns out, despite his turn to the dark side he still destroyed the sith (threw darth sidious down into the shaft will being hit with force lightning), and with that he fulfilled he destiny at "The Chosen One". George Lucas confirmed that exactly.
Depends on how you want to look at it. Many believe that this act was "fulfilling his destiny" as the chosen one. Others believe that he fulfilled his destiny when he turned to the dark side because Yoda and Obi Wan misinterpreted the prophecy by believing "balance to the force" meant "favorable to the light side".
I always viewed it that way. The light side at the time far outnumbered the dark side. It wasn't until Vader and the Emperor instigated the Jedi purge that the true "balance" was brought back as a balance infers equal parts. I've always thought of the force as the Yin and the Yang. You must have bad for their to be good and vice versa.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:00 pm to tiggerthetooth
Like I said before..IMO the whole prophecy thing is just poorly written prequel shenanigans. That out of the way, this is how I understand it according to Lucas and Star Wars canon:
The prophecy's origins are unknown, but the Jedi Order take a Jedi-centric view of the prophecy and interpret it through the lens of Jedi belief.
The Jedi view themselves as caretakers of the Force. They believe that they flow with the Force's natural flow, and in doing so they believe they serve the Force rather than manipulating the Force into something unnatural. They believe that manipulating the Force in that manner - twisting and bending it to serve yourself - is destructive and damaging to the Force itself. They recognize that the Force has a naturally destructive side to it like a wild fire - the dark side. They believe that the dark side is so destructive and unwieldy that allowing the Force's natural destructive elements to flow through them is a sure path to the unnatural twisting of the Force which is destructive to it. So because of this, they attempt to purge themselves of anything that could tempt them into using the destructive side of the Force.
The Sith of course basically believe themselves to be gods and believe they are entitled to twist the Force however they deem fit to amass power and subjugate others. The Jedi can feel this disturbance in the nature of the Force and believe it to be an unnatural perversion of the Force. They believe it puts it out of balance and that the prophecy therefore means that the chosen one will destroy the Sith so that the Force can be restored to its natural state.
TLDR: According to Lucas/Star Wars canon, "balance to the Force" is something metaphysical dealing with the innate nature of the Force itself, not a literal balance of the number of Jedi and Sith.
The prophecy's origins are unknown, but the Jedi Order take a Jedi-centric view of the prophecy and interpret it through the lens of Jedi belief.
The Jedi view themselves as caretakers of the Force. They believe that they flow with the Force's natural flow, and in doing so they believe they serve the Force rather than manipulating the Force into something unnatural. They believe that manipulating the Force in that manner - twisting and bending it to serve yourself - is destructive and damaging to the Force itself. They recognize that the Force has a naturally destructive side to it like a wild fire - the dark side. They believe that the dark side is so destructive and unwieldy that allowing the Force's natural destructive elements to flow through them is a sure path to the unnatural twisting of the Force which is destructive to it. So because of this, they attempt to purge themselves of anything that could tempt them into using the destructive side of the Force.
The Sith of course basically believe themselves to be gods and believe they are entitled to twist the Force however they deem fit to amass power and subjugate others. The Jedi can feel this disturbance in the nature of the Force and believe it to be an unnatural perversion of the Force. They believe it puts it out of balance and that the prophecy therefore means that the chosen one will destroy the Sith so that the Force can be restored to its natural state.
TLDR: According to Lucas/Star Wars canon, "balance to the Force" is something metaphysical dealing with the innate nature of the Force itself, not a literal balance of the number of Jedi and Sith.
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