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re: Afflecks Batman Film pushed back. Rumors that Justice League is a mess
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:13 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:13 pm to Freauxzen
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To be fair however, from Ross' perspective what he did was ok because he had an entity backing him.
Did he, though? Thunderbolt's actions seemed pretty rouge, while technically being in the military. I'm not sure he was acting under anyone's orders but his own when pumping Tim Roth up with Super Soldier Serum. My point was more about how he just brushed off his actions, and essentially the actions of all other motivating factors for why the "heros" had to jump into action.
Like...SURE hulk smashed a ton of shite in NYC during Avengers, but wasn't Loki kind of sort of to blame for everything that took place there? I mean, yes...shite fell out of the sky in DC during Winter Soldier, but I sort of put the blame there on Hydra, and not so much of Cap and Black Widow. And sure, those Wakandans got their asses blown up way up there on the top of that building in Lagos, but given what Crossbones was up to it was either them or a shite ton of other Africans on the ground. As for Ulton, yeah...that's entirely on Tony and to a much lesser extent, Bruce. To have Tony be the smug a-hole suggestion "We need to be held in check" was a line for civil War which actually made me laugh out loud.
That was my dislike of BvS. There's just no way Batman goes insane and loses all sense of perspective and immediately paints Supes as enemy #1. would he have been afraid and had an ever famous dossier ready? Sure! But to go all out to murder the dude who just saved the planet without first finding out truly what had happened made no sense, unless this Batman is kinda slow and reactionary. Not the best way to start a Batman franchise...
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But yeah, this is why the central conceit is a little problematic, because it only works if governments are perfect. Which in the movie, and in reality, they aren't.
Team Cap.
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Did he, though? Thunderbolt's actions seemed pretty rouge, while technically being in the military. I'm not sure he was acting under anyone's orders but his own when pumping Tim Roth up with Super Soldier Serum. My point was more about how he just brushed off his actions, and essentially the actions of all other motivating factors for why the "heros" had to jump into action.
Like...SURE hulk smashed a ton of shite in NYC during Avengers, but wasn't Loki kind of sort of to blame for everything that took place there? I mean, yes...shite fell out of the sky in DC during Winter Soldier, but I sort of put the blame there on Hydra, and not so much of Cap and Black Widow. And sure, those Wakandans got their asses blown up way up there on the top of that building in Lagos, but given what Crossbones was up to it was either them or a shite ton of other Africans on the ground. As for Ulton, yeah...that's entirely on Tony and to a much lesser extent, Bruce. To have Tony be the smug a-hole suggestion "We need to be held in check" was a line for civil War which actually made me laugh out loud.
Good points here all around. It's not always that people are ratonal. I agree that Ross is strongly hypocritical, but eh, is that bad writing or just a relfection of normalcy (and this isn't defending Civil War, it has some problems, but the government acting the way it does....is it surprising?).
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That was my dislike of BvS. There's just no way Batman goes insane and loses all sense of perspective and immediately paints Supes as enemy #1. would he have been afraid and had an ever famous dossier ready? Sure! But to go all out to murder the dude who just saved the planet without first finding out truly what had happened made no sense, unless this Batman is kinda slow and reactionary. Not the best way to start a Batman franchise...
Winner. However, it's out of character for Batman, as we see him, but MAYBE just maybe, Snyder wanted a more REACTIONARY Batman, like you mentioned. Not this this was a good choice, but, seemingly Snyder has this vision in his head "Rain and Lightning, and Batman and Superman squaring off. Pan up to Batman. DRAMATIC MUSIC! SO EPIC!"
"Wait, how do I get there? Oh yeam I'll have Bruce in Metropolis witness a bunch of people get killed in a building (fanboys complained about this anyway) and I'll have Batman get angry. It makes sense that a normal person would want revenge if this happened. SOLVED!"
It feels like Snyder has these scenes in his head and writes/scripts his movies to get him there.
That's not the way you create compelling characters, because yeah, you end up with characters making really weird choices.
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