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Is the alt right gaining traction because libertarianism is failing?
Posted on 12/24/16 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 12/24/16 at 7:59 pm
Libertarians have utterly failed at spreading their message, and the evidence suggests that the browner your skin color, the less attracted you are to libertarian ideals.
Lots of libertarians took a "if you can't win em over, kick them out" position recently it appears. They moved from their from the micro (economic, property rights, markets, etc) to the meta (western culture vs oriential collectivism)
Remember, trump won self described libertarian republicans by a whopping margin in the primary, even when rand was still in the race.
Lots of libertarians took a "if you can't win em over, kick them out" position recently it appears. They moved from their from the micro (economic, property rights, markets, etc) to the meta (western culture vs oriential collectivism)
Remember, trump won self described libertarian republicans by a whopping margin in the primary, even when rand was still in the race.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'd consider myself libertarian Republican.
I loved trump. I liked rand also. I know trump has a hands on big govt in some cases style. I felt like he would be a better choice as a transition person for rand later. Rather than rand take over right now. Trump is what we needed right now. I'll take rand after trump.
I loved trump. I liked rand also. I know trump has a hands on big govt in some cases style. I felt like he would be a better choice as a transition person for rand later. Rather than rand take over right now. Trump is what we needed right now. I'll take rand after trump.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
What is alt-right to you? You mean the racists?
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The alt right movement has seized on using memes and social media to spread their message, and honestly it's more entertaining.
Libertarians were sound in policy but where they failed is they got too detailed and complicated when trying to explain their idealogy. It's sad, but reality is most Americans are simple minded and need a simple message and value entertainment. The alt right seized upon that. And the movement has a lot of libertarian ideals embedded in it which is why many jumped on board.
Libertarians see trump and the alt right as necessary to changing the culture of America back to more traditional and patriotic ideals, and to purge the liberal indoctrination from our institutions in hope that future generations will be more informed and embrace the constitutional republic this country was founded as.
Libertarians were sound in policy but where they failed is they got too detailed and complicated when trying to explain their idealogy. It's sad, but reality is most Americans are simple minded and need a simple message and value entertainment. The alt right seized upon that. And the movement has a lot of libertarian ideals embedded in it which is why many jumped on board.
Libertarians see trump and the alt right as necessary to changing the culture of America back to more traditional and patriotic ideals, and to purge the liberal indoctrination from our institutions in hope that future generations will be more informed and embrace the constitutional republic this country was founded as.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:13 pm to deltaland
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Libertarians were sound in policy but where they failed is they got too detailed and complicated
Yeah man I hate it when people have detailed plans to address complex, real world problems. Who needs that shite when you can have MEMEs instead, right?! frick yeah, America baby!
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
BTW the alt right does not exist. Troll. Similar to the Russian hacker who hacked Podesta's emails.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
In crappy states. Ironically, it's the red state voters who are the most angry. Maybe they should look in the mirror. They're getting the government they wanted.
The rest of us is doing quite well, thank you.
And by failing, you mean winning the vote by 3 million?
The rest of us is doing quite well, thank you.
And by failing, you mean winning the vote by 3 million?
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:20 pm to Watchmaker
quote:Tell that to all the union democrats of the rust belt.
it's the red state voters who are the most angry.
quote:Do you and your snowflake buddies want a participation trophy for that?
And by failing, you mean winning the vote by 3 million?
Congrats on losing.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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What is alt-right to you? You mean the racists?
whoa
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Lots of libertarians took a "if you can't win em over, kick them out" position recently it appears. They moved from their from the micro (economic, property rights, markets, etc) to the meta (western culture vs oriential collectivism)
their hand was kind of forced on the latter b/c of how much PC/sJW stuff has blown up the past 5 years or so. the fact that the #1 priority of the alt-Right is combating this stuff made the overlap natural. the fact that the alt-Right made politics fun again made the overlap palatable
think of the alt-Right as the emotional side and libertarianism as the logical-rational side
FWIW, lots of those aligned with the Alt-Right HATE libertarians. they think of them as pussies
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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whoa
I'm just asking because I don't really know.
I know there are white nationalists who are very active on the internet who claim to be be alt right.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I don't think most libertarian proponents were actually libertarian.. most of them were isolationists who wanted to preserve the american culture.. and that leads itself much more to authoritarian leanings than anything else.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I know there are white nationalists who are very active on the internet who claim to be be alt right.
they claimed "Alt-Right" b/c it got big as a name
the Alt-Right started as an anti-feminist movement and the vast majority of racist stuff they produce is by lil kids just going for lulz. it's like the neo-Hippie movement of shocking counter-culture to combat the typical social narrative
there aren't enough hardcore racists in this country to make a movement of any kind
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:29 pm to Watchmaker
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The rest of us ARE doing quite well
FIFY.
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And by failing, you mean winning the vote by 3 million
Not this again.
Winning the nationwide popular vote is irrelevant in this country. Donald Trump won the popular vote in 30 states, therefore he is the PEOTUS.
Is that too hard for you dolts to understand?
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Well, Gary Johnson certainly hurt the cause. His VP pick literally told people to vote for Hillary, which was the deal breaker for me in voting for Johnson, who is an idiot.
But I really don't think the Libertarians are enabling the alt-right. No one goes to bed being pissed off about a guy who wants small government and people not to frick with you. That's the Libertarians mentality: leave me the frick alone.
The far left on the other hand is calling all white people by default racists, saying that all other races are immune from this, that anyone who has a different thought from PC culture deserves to be in the basket of deplorables, and will silence anyone who disagrees with them. That is not the game Libertarians play. It is the left that has given the alt-right traction, since people can no longer actually say what's on their mind without a liberal twat jumping down their throats for saying otherwise.
But I really don't think the Libertarians are enabling the alt-right. No one goes to bed being pissed off about a guy who wants small government and people not to frick with you. That's the Libertarians mentality: leave me the frick alone.
The far left on the other hand is calling all white people by default racists, saying that all other races are immune from this, that anyone who has a different thought from PC culture deserves to be in the basket of deplorables, and will silence anyone who disagrees with them. That is not the game Libertarians play. It is the left that has given the alt-right traction, since people can no longer actually say what's on their mind without a liberal twat jumping down their throats for saying otherwise.
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:34 pm to OMLandshark
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It is the left that has given the alt-right traction, since people can no longer actually say what's on their mind without a liberal twat jumping down their throats for saying otherwise.
and they've force-fed things like female leads in the last TWO star wars movies for no reason whatsoever other than to not have a white male lead
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:35 pm to Watchmaker
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And by failing, you mean winning the vote by 3 million?
You cucks didn't win shite.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:36 pm to russellvillehog
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BTW the alt right does not exist. Troll.
Steve Bannon, Trump's right hand man, said that he was the platform for the Alt-Right. What the frick are you talking about that the Alt-Right doesn't exist?
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:37 pm to OMLandshark
well saying it "doesn't exist" is a bit much, but it's so vague and wide these days that it's not really defineable
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Libertarianism will never take hold because people are terrified of liberty.
The world is controlled by fear, not freedom.
The world is controlled by fear, not freedom.
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