re: Does suicide= hell?

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Proof? You make a positive claim, you need to be able to back it up. Unless you just want to claim that it's just your personal belief, which is quite different than your claim.

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Quite correct. However, this is a problem for folks on both sides of this issue who refuse to play honestly with each other, isn't it? After rall, you just posted this...bolded parts are stated without there having been subsequent evidence to convince everyone of the veracity of the claims.

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I can speak of the Catholic view. Only grave sins done with full consent and knowledge are considered mortal and will send one to hell. The Church has come to understand that most people who commit suicide usually aren't in full control of their mental faculties and aren't culpable for their actions. In the end, we trust God is compassionate and just.

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You make this statement, but you didn't qualify those statements are merely your opinion...they aren't facts. You believe there is some mystical distinction between one sin and another, hence the "grave" versus" venial" stuff. You believe there is a hell, therefore you argue for the various ways one can be sent to it. And of course, you believe there is a god.

Either you want to play fairly, or you want to play tennis without the net. Frankly, I'm with your first assertion that positive claims should have actual evidence to back them up. But I expect that to go both ways, otherwise all bets are off.

BTW...what about all of those poor families who anguished over the claim made by The Church that their family members were suffering in Hell as a result of taking their own life, long before the good folks of the church came to "understand that most people who commit suicide usually aren't in full control of their mental faculties and aren't culpable for their actions." Whoops? Weren't they in contact with god the whole time? Why did it require what I'm assuming is medical science to figure out that these folks were not in control of their mental faculties?