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re: Why O is the right guy for this program.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:27 am to SW Fla Tiger
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:27 am to SW Fla Tiger
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Wow, didn't read the previous 7 pages. We need to chill. The LSU season is just beginning because The LSU schedule is November loaded. November determines the success of this program. That has been the failure of Les the past few years. Let's wait until Thanksgiving and see how O fared. No one can fairly judge his current ability until then.
This. Some of y'all are so reactionary it's mindboggling.
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Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:36 am to 7nette
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Coach O's players also went 0-8 in conference the year before. You can't use the Coach X's players argument when both coaches before and after performed much better than he did.
Hugh Freeze begs to differ and I agree with Hugh over you. Three years is not enough time to establish a program. Houston Nutt was able to reap the rewards of the previous administration. Go look at Nutt's four year record and try to determine how he be so shitty the last two years after being so great the first two.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:41 am to Tiger Ree
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Just exactly how does it not correlate to being a permanent head coach? Do they get to just go on vacation?
I got to believe you're playing dumb, but I'll bite. How about hiring assistants, for one? How sure are you that Dave Aranda would've come to coach under Ogeron? You think Aranda doesn't see himself as 100 times smarter than BeBe? Miles at least had a reputation as a successful head coach and a good boss, and he built this staff that is winning right now on the strength of that reputation. You have no idea what sort of staff O could put together. He only knows a limited number of coaches, how many of them would want to work for him? How respected is he as a head coach by his peers? How will he handle adversity? Sure didn't handle it well at Ole Miss - do some research - he didn't just fail but was universally hated by his staff by the time he was fired. You think that reputation doesn't precede him? He has basically said it himself, all he is doing right now is letting Miles' assistants do their job and playing cheerleader. That's not how Saban works. That's not how Meyer works. That's not how Harbaugh works. That's not a recipe for success over the long term.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:47 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Herman currently is on a downward spiral.
More like a sudden crash and burn. He lost to SMU !!! That's like LSU getting shut out by Vanderbilt 40-0.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:48 am to Tiger Ree
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More like a sudden crash and burn. He lost to SMU !!! That's like LSU getting shut out by Tulane 40-0.
FIFY
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:49 am to Slippy
Coach O getting the job will not hurt us in anyway. We have the D Coordinator, could possibly keep Coach E, but could upgrade, and maybe get a new special teams coach. Everyone else stay in place. If he don't succeed, at least we'll be loaded with talent for a new coach, because he will get the best players out there. 
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:54 am to Tiger Ree
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How exactly do you know how much upside he has? Is it his whole 1 1/2 years of experience?
Because he's young and successful already
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:57 am to dcw7g
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How about hiring assistants, for one? How sure are you that Dave Aranda would've come to coach under Ogeron?
My God, are you trying to hold this against Coach O. Yeah, don't hire him because Aranda was already on staff. How about Cam Cameron and Pete Jenkins.
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You have no idea what sort of staff O could put together.
Neither do you. Nor do you know what kind of staff any other coach would put together at LSU.
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He only knows a limited number of coaches, how many of them would want to work for him?
He has been in the business a long time at different schools. I bet he knows quite a few coaches. How would I or you know who would work for him besides Pete Jenkins. That is a pretty stupid question to ask when nobody knows the answer. His one hire has been pretty good though - definitely set a precedent.
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but was universally hated by his staff by the time he was fired
that is total bullshite. You apparently were under a rock last week when Hugh Freeze said Coach O was the best thing to happen to his coaching career and he appreciated it. He had nothing but good things to say about him. Post your facts to back up your statements of frick off. If coaches hated him Pete Jenkins would not be at LSU right now.
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He has basically said it himself, all he is doing right now is letting Miles' assistants do their job and playing cheerleader.
In the past it has always been said that all a coach has to do is hire good assistants and let them coach. Now that O is mentioned as a candidate, you want a coach who wants to run everything and tie his assistants hands behind their backs?
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That's not how Meyer works
Just another reason in the huge and growing stack of why Herman should not be considered for the LSU position.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:58 am to LSU Groupee
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A month filled with players reading about their coach is on the way to Texas or LSU. How did LSU do in 2004 when they started hearing their coach was going to Miami?
We're giving Coach Herman passes already?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:00 am to Salmon
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if they crashed the first time they tried to fly, would you give them your most expensive jet to fly next, or would you let them try with your crop duster first?
I would consider his stints as interim HC at USC and his LSU as flying that crop duster. He's actually showing that he's learned from his mistakes at Ole Miss.it isn't over. He still has done things to prove. But he should definitely be in the conversation.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:04 am to Slippy
Here's an idea:
Can we play a few good teams first before declaring someone the future leader of our program?
Things are always crystal clear when your opponents have been people you simply ran over.
We're talking about hiring the person that will run this program for many seasons to come, and dictate the future of our program. Not exactly something we can afford to mess up. This kind of talk seriously needs to wait until the end of the season, because this is too important to mess up.
Can we play a few good teams first before declaring someone the future leader of our program?
Things are always crystal clear when your opponents have been people you simply ran over.
We're talking about hiring the person that will run this program for many seasons to come, and dictate the future of our program. Not exactly something we can afford to mess up. This kind of talk seriously needs to wait until the end of the season, because this is too important to mess up.
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:06 am to CreoleKid24
Ensminger doesn't want to be OC permanently
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:08 am to dcw7g
If Orgeron is retained as HC there is a 95% chance Lane Kiffin is our OC next year
O as HC with Aranda and Kiffin. I like our chances with that combination
O as HC with Aranda and Kiffin. I like our chances with that combination
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:14 am to Slippy
Coaching changes board
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:27 am to LSUBadger
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If Orgeron is retained as HC there is a 95% chance Lane Kiffin is our OC next year O as HC with Aranda and Kiffin. I like our chances with that combination
I'm not sure how you can make that assumption.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:38 am to Slippy
To me, the biggest key to the next HC is the ability to recruit. Especially the state of LA. This was Les' best attribute, although he should have done better with the likes of Landon Collins, Tim Williams, Eddie Lacy, and others...
Ed O would actually be an upgrade in recruiting imo. And, he is proving to be good at in game coaching and roster management already...the lack thereof is what ultimately led to Les' demise.
Recruiting is the one important issue we don't know about Herman yet. He is unproven as a recruiter. Jimbo Fisher however, has proven himself to be able to get NFL caliber players to his program.
As of today, all things considered, I would say Jimbo is the number one choice.
Ed O would actually be an upgrade in recruiting imo. And, he is proving to be good at in game coaching and roster management already...the lack thereof is what ultimately led to Les' demise.
Recruiting is the one important issue we don't know about Herman yet. He is unproven as a recruiter. Jimbo Fisher however, has proven himself to be able to get NFL caliber players to his program.
As of today, all things considered, I would say Jimbo is the number one choice.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 12:14 pm to Tiger Ree
I've asked this 1000 times and never got an answer.
Please name me ONE HC that failed so miserably at one job, and then won an NC at his next job. Just ONE.
It's a fact that coaches improve throughout their career. Carroll, Belechik, even Saban can be included to some degree.
But those guys were all average at their first stint at being a HC, they didnt suck. Both Carroll and Belechik made the playoffs at least one year at the beginning. They showed the ability to win, even if it wasnt consistent.
O completely bombed. Like, there was very little good that could be taken from his time at Ole Miss. People talk about how great of a recruiter he is/was, but here are his classes rank compared to Nutt and Freeze...
Orgeron -
2005 - 30
2006 - 17
2007 - 28
Nutt -
2008 - 29
2009 - 18
2010 - 19
2011 - 20
Freeze -
2013 - 7
2014 - 19
2015 - 21
2016 - 8
I would say Nutt and Freeze had better overall recruiting results than O did.
So now what are we left with?
Please name me ONE HC that failed so miserably at one job, and then won an NC at his next job. Just ONE.
It's a fact that coaches improve throughout their career. Carroll, Belechik, even Saban can be included to some degree.
But those guys were all average at their first stint at being a HC, they didnt suck. Both Carroll and Belechik made the playoffs at least one year at the beginning. They showed the ability to win, even if it wasnt consistent.
O completely bombed. Like, there was very little good that could be taken from his time at Ole Miss. People talk about how great of a recruiter he is/was, but here are his classes rank compared to Nutt and Freeze...
Orgeron -
2005 - 30
2006 - 17
2007 - 28
Nutt -
2008 - 29
2009 - 18
2010 - 19
2011 - 20
Freeze -
2013 - 7
2014 - 19
2015 - 21
2016 - 8
I would say Nutt and Freeze had better overall recruiting results than O did.
So now what are we left with?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 12:18 pm to Tiger Ree
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that is total bullshite... Post your facts to back up your statements of frick off. If coaches hated him Pete Jenkins would not be at LSU right now.
OK.
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Orgeron made nearly every mistake a first-time head coach can make, and just about everyone—from the staff to the players to the support personnel—breathed a sigh of relief when he was fired.
ESPN
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In 2005, Orgeron’s players absolutely hated him, and for good reason.
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Orgeron demanded that everyone -- everyone -- had to run at full sprint between practice stations...Offensive line coach George DeLeone, then a 56-year-old man and a 30-year veteran, would shuffle into post-practice interviews with ice packs around both knees.
SB Nation
And I won't get into the alcohol isssues, the fights, the restraining order... We're sure he's put all that behind him, aren't we? I'm sure Saban, Meyer, Stoops, Carroll, and Harbaugh all have very similar backstories, right?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 12:19 pm to LSUBadger
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If Orgeron is retained as HC there is a 95% chance Lane Kiffin is our OC next year
You have absolutely nothing to base this off of, except your blind optimism.
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O as HC with Aranda and Kiffin. I like our chances with that combination
IF true, And then a year from now they will both be HC's somewhere and we'll have to trust O to find an elite OC and DC that a) werent already here and b)aren't his best buddy.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 12:36 pm to Slippy
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And he said he would run a pro style offense and recruit pro style quarterbacks. Thank you Jesus. I have watched Houston. While the goofy spread option stuff may look good other places, I don't want to see it at LSU. Besides, we would have to wait several years until Herman has "his guys" to run his system. F that. We have the players to win NOW.
This is such bullshite. If Etling wasn't a transfer here, we'd be up shite creek in the pro style offense. Tell me how long it's going to take to have the next decent pro style offense QB ready? I know right now we have several QBs that can run that spread offense including both QBs we have recruited this year.
Herman doesn't "his guys", LSU is ridiculously loaded with athletes at every skill position on offense as well as athletic linemen.
You dumbass people still latching on to the pro style offense are killing me. The fact of the matter is LSU is ridiculously loaded on offense and would destroy in a spread system. LSU is located in an area where all the surrounding high school talent plays in either spread or option offenses (that includes Texas).
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