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re: LSU, the coaching talent pool is shallow

Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:30 am to
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:30 am to
Miles had a 57% winning percentage when we hired him.
Saban had a 64% winning percentage when we hired him.
Dinardo had a 43% winning percentage when we hired him.
Hallman had a 64% winning percentage when we hired him.
Archer had never been a head coach before.
Arnsparger had never been a head coach before.

Currently...

Jimbo Fisher has a 82% winning percentage.
Tom Herman has a 95% winning percentage.
Larry Fedora has a 64% winning percentage.
Dan Mullen has a 61% winning percentage.
Jeff Brohm has a 72% winning percentage.
Willie Fritz has a 69% winning percentage.
Mike Gundy has a 66% winning percentage.
Bryan Harsin has a 74% winning percentage.

I literally just went down a short list of coaches. Outside of the top 2, everyone else on the list would absolutely take the LSU job. And every single one of those guys has a better winning % as a head coach than Les Miles did.

Bottom line, Les Miles was not a good hire. Skip wanted someone he could control who was not going to get calls from the NFL. Now, Les worked out at LSU for quite a while. But, he wasn't a good hire. He was a mediocre hire at best. A lot of that was due to timing.

Unless Joe Alleva just gets cute, we have a virtual 100% of hiring a head coach with a better resume than Les Miles had when we hired him. And there is a pretty good shot we could hire a guy who has had just as much success than Saban had before we hired him.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:48 am to
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Unless Joe Alleva just gets cute, we have a virtual 100% of hiring a head coach with a better resume than Les Miles had when we hired him. And there is a pretty good shot we could hire a guy who has had just as much success than Saban had before we hired him.





this is what was so frustrating during the pre-Miles fired saga in 2015 with all the "well who is avaialble?" crowd.

There are plenty of good coaches who can utilize LA talent. Thankfully, LA is a talent-rich state.

Also, side note, I didn't realize Brohm has a 72% winning %.
Posted by NikolaiJakov
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:28 am to
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Miles had a 57% winning percentage when we hired him.
Saban had a 64% winning percentage when we hired him.
Dinardo had a 43% winning percentage when we hired him.
Hallman had a 64% winning percentage when we hired him.
Archer had never been a head coach before.
Arnsparger had never been a head coach before.

Currently...

Jimbo Fisher has a 82% winning percentage.
Tom Herman has a 95% winning percentage.
Larry Fedora has a 64% winning percentage.
Dan Mullen has a 61% winning percentage.
Jeff Brohm has a 72% winning percentage.
Willie Fritz has a 69% winning percentage.
Mike Gundy has a 66% winning percentage.
Bryan Harsin has a 74% winning percentage.



Ok. Now let me tell you why you can't go by this.

Miles was at Ok St. A little sister in the Big 12 who rose up and beat Oklahoma. They were a coaching graveyard before he got there.

Saban was at Michigan State. A little sister in the Big 10 who was on the rise, but still an afterthought after the Perles heyday.

Dinardo had been at Vanderbilt. I don't have to tell you how horrible they were.

Hallman had been at Southern Miss, where he did a good job, but mostly....Farve.

Archer...whatever.

Arnsparger is one of the most respected defensive coaches in the history of football.


As for list 2:

Fisher inherited Florida State, who had been a national powerhouse for the greater part of 30 years under Bowden.

Herman inherited Houston, which Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin built into a mid-major powerhouse (with a parenthesis around the Levine years)....key words mid-major...they don't play Texas or A&M every year.

Larry Fedora has done a decent job but he raped and pillaged Southern Miss through JUCO's until he could get the NC job, where he's done a really good job....in the ACC (barely a power 5 conference).

Dan Mullen has won 61% at MS. State in the SEC West...can't knock him for that.

Jeff Brohm inherited Taggard/Pertrino's program and has kept it between the ditches (although I do think he's a good coach)

Fritz has been an FBS head coach at Ga Southern and Tulane.

Gundy has Pickens' millions behind him and can't get over the hump.

Harsin is living off Peterson's work at Boise.



There is NO guarantee in ANY of these guys' resume's that they would be successful at the level LSU is expecting.



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