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Johnny Jones among more reactionary coaches to foul trouble in CBB per Ken Pom

Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted by Jamohn
Das Boot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:39 pm
Interesting statistical breakdown of how often coaches in College Basketball play players with 2 fouls in the first half. The chart breaks down the percentage of available minutes played out of total possible minutes with 2 fouls in the first half of games.

Johnny Jones checks in at 241 out of 321 coaches included in the study, playing his guys 12.1% of the available first half minutes with 2 fouls. Interestingly, he still ranks higher than a number of well-regarded coaches and very successful coaches, including Tom Izzo (294), Rick Pitino (261), John Calipari (243), and Lon Kruger (263).

Seems like a common criticism of Jones involves his handling of fouls. Of course there are tons of variables for which it is extremely difficult to account, including roster depth, strength of competition, how adept individuals may be at avoiding additional fouls, etc. and it's not clear what conclusions we can draw from this but I found this interesting nonetheless and figured I'd share:

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Let’s take inventory on how every coach in college hoops handles foul trouble. To make this as simple as possible, for each head coach I’m going to determine how often a starter with two fouls is on the floor in the first half.
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To make this happen, I’m using the last seven seasons of play-by-play data. I’ve sampled every game at each minute of the first half. For example, with exactly 19:00 left, I’m checking if there is a starter with two fouls and whether that starter is on the floor, then repeating this for 18:00 and each minute thereafter all the way to the end of the half.

This is essentially a random sample of the data, especially when you consider I am throwing out situations where the play-by-play data doesn’t allow one to definitively know who is on the floor. But it’s going to uncover each coach’s tendencies quite well. Just don’t take the percentages beyond the decimal point as a literal record of what’s happened in the last seven seasons. It’s reasonably close to what happened given the limitations of the data.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:46 pm to
This just in: Johnny Jones is not a good Basketball Coach. News at 11.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28494 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:57 pm to
I don't have any issue with a coach sitting a guy with 2 fouls for the rest of the first half. However, it can't be a hard, fast rule, without exception for circumstances.

For instance, if Victor picked up 2 early, you HAD to sit him for the rest of the half without exception. He was only one of two serviceable post players and was a real potential to pick up a foul on every trip.

At the end of the day though, I think the "2 foul" issues was FAR from Jones' biggest problem. The overall lack of emphasis on defense is THE biggest reason LSU is so inconsistent. Until that changes, this will remain a program capable of beating any team or losing to any team.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66499 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:03 pm to
Johnny Jones is fricking terrible.
Posted by Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
2149 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:06 pm to
But you also have to note that those top coaches have MUCH DEEPER benches than us.
So it didn't hurt them nearly as much as us.
We didn't have the luxury of replacing a 5 star with another 5 star.
He needed to take more chances with 2 fouls in the first half and 4 fouls in the second than he did with the lack of depth we had.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 1:07 pm
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
17206 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:55 pm to
Izzo, Pitino, Calipari have 5 stars all up and down their bench...they can afford to take players out for the remainder of the half.


If you don't have depth you should probably take a few more chances throughout the season.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted by BCMCubs
Colorado
Member since Nov 2011
22146 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:56 pm to
The real news is the fact that he reacted to anything at all.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155925 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:23 pm to
protecting your star is one thing, but pulling a replaceable guy like jalyn patterson on the rare occasion that he is en fuego, or aaron epps when he's the only one protecting the rim. who gives a frick if josh gray gets a third foul? victor obviously needed protection last year and ben at times, but you can't just pull role players who can afford a third foul; it just fricks up the rhythm and flow.

also, he is terrible at game management in terms of working around tv timeouts and game situations with guys on 2 fouls. if blakeney is on the bench, but we've got the ball coming out of a TO or a dead ball with the chance to hold for the final possession, GET HIM BACK INT HE frickING GAME.
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