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Justification for shootings by cops...
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:05 pm
Got in a heated discussion with a friend today...My stance is that if you resist arrest while possessing a gun, anything that may result from that is justified. He is in total disagreement with that thought. What thus the OT say?
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:06 pm to dallaslsufan
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:07 pm to dallaslsufan
quote:Whilst hither and thither
What thus the OT say?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:07 pm to dallaslsufan
You're wrong
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:07 pm to dallaslsufan
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My stance is that if you resist arrest while possessing a gun, anything that may result from that is justified.
I see what point you're making but it's not completely true. While it's understandable I wouldn't say justified in every single case.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:25 pm to dallaslsufan
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What thus the OT say?
Get new friends that aren't liberals or pussies.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:35 pm to dallaslsufan
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heated discussion with a friend today...My stance is that if you resist arrest while possessing a gun, anything that may result from that is justified. He is in total disagreement with that thought. What thus the OT say?
No. I'm in total disagreement as well. You need to assess more information than simply whether or not they are armed. Using lethal force requires a reasonable belief that your life or the life of a fellow officer is subject to the imminent threat of death or bodily injury.
A criminal can exhibit passive resistance or active resistance with this not being a direct threat to the officer. Brown was actively resisting and was not shot until he escalated with a signal of a more aggressive intention - he reached for his gun when the officer lost control of his hand/wrist/arm.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:39 pm to dallaslsufan
Regardless of the OT, the law disagrees with you.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:46 pm to dallaslsufan
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Got in a heated discussion with a friend today...My stance is that if you resist arrest while possessing a gun, anything that may result from that is justified. He is in total disagreement with that thought. What thus the OT say?
depends how and what you resist and where the gun is, IMO. For example, someone refusing a breathalyzer test with a gun on them, or someone is refusing to turn down their radio at the cops request, shooting is a No No. There are a host of other factors too, such as the location of the person's hands. If someone has their hands clearly in the air an in a submissive position, while refusing some other orders, mostly would be a No no to shoot, IMO. If someone breaks down crying and stands shaking with a gun holstered, a No no to shoot. SOmeone running away like Usain bolt after a non-violent crime, a No no to shoot. It's not that simple.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:55 pm to dallaslsufan
Your friend is right.
The subject can have a pistol in his waistband or pocket, but if he is glaring at you (psychological intimidation) or just standing there not listening (verbal noncompliance), you're not justified to shoot even though those are levels of resisting.
Your argument doesn't cover the wide spectrum that would justify deadly force.
If he reaches for the weapon even though you are giving commands to keep his hands up, that level of resistance can be determined as deadly force assault.
The subject can have a pistol in his waistband or pocket, but if he is glaring at you (psychological intimidation) or just standing there not listening (verbal noncompliance), you're not justified to shoot even though those are levels of resisting.
Your argument doesn't cover the wide spectrum that would justify deadly force.
If he reaches for the weapon even though you are giving commands to keep his hands up, that level of resistance can be determined as deadly force assault.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 6:58 pm to dallaslsufan
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He is in total disagreement with that thought
As am I.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 7:00 pm to dallaslsufan
You and your friend should apply for the next police academy. Then you'll be able to articulate the reasons for your partially correct belief, and your buddy can have his pussified eyes opened.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 7:54 pm to dallaslsufan
If you resist arrest and have a gun then the police have a right to do whatever they need to do to protect themselves. When someone resist arrest, the police will try to restrain you and in the "heat of battle" you never know what will happen. If you don't want to get shot by the police then don't resist.
If you feel the reason you are being stopped is not justified, the only way you can keep yourself safe is to comply. Do you think you will argue your way out of it? If you resist, it makes you look suspect.
If you feel the reason you are being stopped is not justified, the only way you can keep yourself safe is to comply. Do you think you will argue your way out of it? If you resist, it makes you look suspect.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:02 pm to dallaslsufan
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What thus the OT say?
Your friend likes buick regale.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:36 pm to dallaslsufan
So your "supposed" to just let the potential possibility that a criminal who has a gun resisting arrest pull it out and shoot you first?
Police report
Well he was reluctant to shoot and the officer was shoot and killed by the suspect with a gun?...frick no....shoot that bitch...if your armed and dangerous....justification...
Let me ask any BLM....if someone break into your house....what will you do? If you dont arm yourself and shoot then your dumb because of the "potential" that this intuder will kill you always exsist.....this is the approach a cop takes....period...
Police report
Well he was reluctant to shoot and the officer was shoot and killed by the suspect with a gun?...frick no....shoot that bitch...if your armed and dangerous....justification...
Let me ask any BLM....if someone break into your house....what will you do? If you dont arm yourself and shoot then your dumb because of the "potential" that this intuder will kill you always exsist.....this is the approach a cop takes....period...
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:37 pm to dallaslsufan
He's right. You're heated arguing for guns. God help us.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 8:58 pm to dallaslsufan
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Got in a heated discussion with a friend today...My stance is that if you resist arrest while possessing a gun, anything that may result from that is justified. He is in total disagreement with that thought. What thus the OT say?
Your friend sounds like a pinko commie liberal fig.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:01 pm to dallaslsufan
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My stance is that if you resist arrest while possessing a gun, anything that may result from that is justified.
I also disagree. There are entirely too many variables to make such a blanket proclamation. It's both morally and legally wrong.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:14 pm to dallaslsufan
Your friend is an idiot.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 9:58 pm to dallaslsufan
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What thus the OT say?
If the gun is visible at any ponit, then yes, you're taking a risk that the SCOTUS has ruled previously that officers are justified. If there is no gun and you just "think" then that adds a level of complexity.
Bottom line - don't resist and you'll be fine. Yet to see a controversial case where they weren't actively resisting by fighting, running, resisting.
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