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Let's revisit Breaux's fair/foul ball in the 9th

Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:17 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:17 am


It is obviously foul in the first clip, and obviously fair in the second. I just don't see how you overturn that AND award him a double if you called it foul on the field. The umpire is in perfect position. Plus, in the second clip, if that ball was fair, how did it end up landing so far foul in so little time and with so little right to left movement?

And for those of you who don't know, the position of Breaux's body is irrelevant.
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:19 am to
I saw it live, looked so foul, then saw replay, looked fair. I can see how it was overturned. We are all human.
Posted by MNCscripper
St. George
Member since Jan 2004
11713 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:19 am to
Camera angle needs to be directly down the foul line. The announcers said last night that the umps would have the same exact camera angles that we were shown on TV
Posted by chef tiger
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:20 am to
Really should have been caught. No replay needed.
Posted by packardtrucklines
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:20 am to
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This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 9:53 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:23 am to
I mean if you look at the second part of the gif and basically draw a line down from where he touches the ball you can see that his right foot lands damn near in the same vertical line. If anything, his right foot looks short of that vertical line, which would put the ball about a foot foul.

The ball obviously needs to be caught, but how the hell do you overturn it with this kind of shite.
Posted by TooDumbToFail
Good Ole 'Merica
Member since Apr 2016
734 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:23 am to
Football has the camera exactly down the endzone line. Baseball needs the same with foul line...
Posted by doubleb
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36218 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:24 am to
If you could stop the tape, look where his feet are when he touches the ball you could get a better idea of where the ball is.
Posted by jembeurt
Raceland
Member since Apr 2008
8806 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:25 am to
I'm not saying it was obviously foul in the first clip, but you're right when the blue on the 3rd base line had the best shot of it. I didn't think it was clear enough to overturn, but once they did I wasn't upset. LSU got a break when Fraley was called safe. It evened out.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40642 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:26 am to
Umps don't understand angles and the visual deception it creates. No way to tell when camera isn't down the line.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278765 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:29 am to
it was clearly fair in both clips, you can tell from where his body and glove are that he is in fair territory. Despite them awarding him 2nd base, we likely caught a break cause Reed probably would have been on 3rd had the call been right from the onset.
Posted by StadiumDormRat'72
BR,LA
Member since Sep 2012
2942 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:37 am to
Let's just call it a make-up call, since the tying run was obviously out at the plate...

None of y'all griping 'bout THAT call, though.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64751 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:41 am to
he left the ground and landed in foul territory and the ball was clearly foul.
Posted by el gato
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Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:42 am to
The ball was in fair territory when it touched Breaux' glove. Doesn't matter where it might have landed or what happened after it touched the glove.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23836 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:51 am to
There was a third angle which they only showed for a second on tv, and it was from the left field camera behind the play. From that angle it looked foul for sure. The problem with the overrule is that in all three camera angles it is clear that the umpire in perfect position, paying attention, looking down the line directly at the play to make that call. The camera angles were not nearly as good as the umpire's view. I can't tell conclusively, so it should have been the umpire's call.
Posted by PhillyTiger90
Member since Dec 2015
10727 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:08 am to
Shouldn't have been awarded a double

Agree with overturning it as it was a fair ball but give the man 1st base and move on
Posted by Taurus
Loozianna
Member since Feb 2015
4955 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:10 am to
Easily a fair ball. Good overturn.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22980 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:47 am to
Disregard
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 10:50 am
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66261 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:29 am to
It looks like it's inconclusive so I am still surprised they ruled definitively on such a play that was originally called foul

I just can't see how you can say for sure which way it truly lands.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 11:31 am
Posted by 81Tiger
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Member since Sep 2009
6629 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:58 am to
quote:

I just don't see how you overturn that AND award him a double if you called it foul on the field. The umpire is in perfect position.

And for those of you who don't know, the position of Breaux's body is irrelevant.



Sometimes replays work, and sometimes they don't.

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