I can think of many terrible illegal situations where this statement would justify a bad shoot.

If that were true why not just shoot him on sight? I mean dead people can't shoot back.

With that said all I will say is that reaching into a jacket with many guns aimed at you is a bad idea, and probably won't end well.

However the FBI has to be aware of the martyrdom effect here, and that the deaths of any of these guys just plays into their hands. If he's still alive its much easier to control the narrative and end this thing peacefully.

Now, these guys have a rallying cause and the authorities have less control of the message. My real beef here is that some of these militia guys will watch this video and see a martyr. Making a bigger effort to keep him alive would have blunted that.

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DHA

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Posted on 1/29/16 at 9:40 am to NYNolaguy1

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However the FBI has to be aware of the martyrdom effect here, and that the deaths of any of these guys just plays into their hands. If he's still alive its much easier to control the narrative and end this thing peacefully.

Now, these guys have a rallying cause and the authorities have less control of the message. My real beef here is that some of these militia guys will watch this video and see a martyr. Making a bigger effort to keep him alive would have blunted that.

Orrrrr they could just not try to appeal to crazy people's thoughts and protect themselves.

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Posted by DBU

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Posted on 1/29/16 at 9:47 am to NYNolaguy1

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Now, these guys have a rallying cause and the authorities have less control of the message.

I understand your point here but I disagree with how this video will play out. The video clearly shows that the guy wasn't on his knees with his hands up and executed in cold blood as the "eyewitnesses" (according to those friendly to him) had described. The authorities have literally ALL of the control now as they can refute any claim by stating "here is where we pulled them over, here is where they instead decided to begin a dangerous high speed chase, and here is where the man that had already threatened to shoot any federal agents or cops that were in his way decided to reach into his jacket." Anyone with any sense has to realize that the federal agents and cops on the scene had every right to act in self-defense given the situation.

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