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re: Our Defense in numbers
Posted on 12/19/15 at 7:38 pm to Tigerinthehollow
Posted on 12/19/15 at 7:38 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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Not in clutch time of critical games.
What? He has the 2nd most 4th quarter or ot wins in lsu history.
It's complete bullshite to say he wasn't good in the clutch.
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Posted on 12/19/15 at 7:46 pm to TchPowDog
This may have been stated already, I didn't read every post, but those numbers have to be affected by the quality of our opponents. The SEC West was really good this year. Mississippi State, and Ole Miss are about as good as they ever get. Arkansas is trending up. This is even an especially good year for Alabama offensively. Some of those Chavis and Pelini defenses didn't face such consistently quality opponents. Not to mention, we missed out on the McNeese State game which likely would've dragged down some of those averages. I'm willing to give Steele another year.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:03 am to dcw7g
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This may have been stated already, I didn't read every post, but those numbers have to be affected by the quality of our opponents. The SEC West was really good this year. Mississippi State, and Ole Miss are about as good as they ever get. Arkansas is trending up. This is even an especially good year for Alabama offensively
No.
Just, no.
Miss st wasn't nearly as good as last year.
Arkansas lost its 2nd leading rusher to start the season
Auburn and aTm were downright bad.
LSU had the benefit of playing florida immediately after the Grier suspension.
Alabama had arguably its worst offense under Saban at Bama.
The amount of excuses piling up ITT and on this board to give Steele another year is astounding.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:09 am to Alltheway Tigers!
You , and others, are acting as if I have not provided any data or statistics.
I even showed that this defense has improved in certain areas.
However, just having better play from the DL in 2015 does not mean the defense as a whole got better.
It should be very telling that the overall yards allowed per play and yards allowed per game went up from last year despite the rushing yards per attempt and rushing yards per game going down from last year.
(Hint: it means our passing defense got much worse.)
I even showed that this defense has improved in certain areas.
However, just having better play from the DL in 2015 does not mean the defense as a whole got better.
It should be very telling that the overall yards allowed per play and yards allowed per game went up from last year despite the rushing yards per attempt and rushing yards per game going down from last year.
(Hint: it means our passing defense got much worse.)
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:33 am to Andre
quote:You don't really understand football, do you.
It should be very telling that the overall yards allowed per play and yards allowed per game went up from last year despite the rushing yards per attempt and rushing yards per game going down from last year.
(Hint: it means our passing defense got much worse.)
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:47 am to Salviati
I'd ask you to elaborate, but I think it's pretty clear we have reached an impasse on this matter.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:58 am to Andre
steele was bad, and losing the players LSU will likely be losing on defense won't help him out. also not getting in a ton of linebackers when that was a huge need will be ultimately his downfall.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:16 am to TchPowDog
TchPowDog It is not Steele, Chavis left us the thinnest talent wise since 1998 range on defensive line.
You look at the depth of the LSU defensive line, and this year is like the where is the beef.
Chavis was not a hard core recruiter and LSU lost out many good recruits on the DL and we kept getting thinner and thinner.
How long will it take to get to 2003-2011 teams depth at dl, remember think about who is sitting on the beach playing 2nd team dl until their jr. year?
We lack the leadership on the dl we had and the players to play into the 4th quarter, I told everyone dl was the teams weak point going into the season.
Can you really blame Coach Steele for those points with one season under his belt now?
You look at the depth of the LSU defensive line, and this year is like the where is the beef.
Chavis was not a hard core recruiter and LSU lost out many good recruits on the DL and we kept getting thinner and thinner.
How long will it take to get to 2003-2011 teams depth at dl, remember think about who is sitting on the beach playing 2nd team dl until their jr. year?
We lack the leadership on the dl we had and the players to play into the 4th quarter, I told everyone dl was the teams weak point going into the season.
Can you really blame Coach Steele for those points with one season under his belt now?
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:41 am to Andre
quote:Let's go back to your statement:
I'd ask you to elaborate, but I think it's pretty clear we have reached an impasse on this matter.
quote:First, the FBS average for yards per pass attempt was 7.27 YPA. (The SEC average was 7.21 YPA.)
It should be very telling that the overall yards allowed per play and yards allowed per game went up from last year despite the rushing yards per attempt and rushing yards per game going down from last year.
(Hint: it means our passing defense got much worse.)
Second, the FBS average for yard per carry was 4.49 YPC. (The SEC average was 4.54 YPC.)
Third, what happens if, hypothetically, a team throws the ball 100 times and runs the ball 0 times? If all else remains the same, the team gains 727 yards.
Fourth, what happens if, hypothetically, a team runs the ball 100 times and with 0 pass plays? If all else remains the same, the team gains 449 yards.
Two things should be immediately apparent: (1) if teams throw the ball more against LSU, they will have more yards per play, and (2) if teams throw the ball more against LSU, they will have more yards per game.
Hence, your "very telling" conclusion is erroneous:
quote:One should not surprised to see the overall yards allowed per play and yards allowed per game to go up if the rushing yards per attempt and rushing yards per game go down.
It should be very telling that the overall yards allowed per play and yards allowed per game went up from last year despite the rushing yards per attempt and rushing yards per game going down from last year.
(Hint: it means our passing defense got much worse.)
As an opponent's ability to run the ball decreases, it's likelihood to pass increases.
A shift in the percentage of plays called from running plays to passing plays will generally cause the overall yards allowed per play and yards allowed per game to go up even if the rushing yards per attempt and rushing yards per game go down.
Moreover, teams that are trailing in a game tend to shift their play calling emphasis away from running to passing. Thus, if LSU's opponents were trailing more in 2015 than in 2014, those opponents would be more likely to attempt pass plays rather than running plays. LSU had a better record this year than last year, so one might expect an increase in pass attempts this year compared to last year.
So let's examine LSU's opponents' attempts per game in 2014 compared to 2015.
2014 Opponents' Attempts Per Game: 29.6
2015 Opponents' Attempts Per Game: 33.0
An additional 3.4 plays would likely result in an additional 20+ yards per game. All of a sudden, 2015 and 2014 begin to look VERY similar, particularly when one notes the absence of the FCS McNeese game.
It is troubling to me that LSU's opponents' YPA increased in 2015 compared to 2014. However, the 2015 YPA is equal to or better than 2013, 2010, and 2008. All in all, the results are not completely unexpected given a new DC and the status of the LSU defense.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:37 am to Salviati
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Two things should be immediately apparent: (1) if teams throw the ball more against LSU, they will have more yards per play, and (2) if teams throw the ball more against LSU, they will have more yards per game.
Hence, your "very telling" conclusion is erroneous:
Does that not also mean that, against a good secondary, more pass attempts means more opportunities for that defense to make interceptions? Just something worth pointing out.
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An additional 3.4 plays would likely result in an additional 20+ yards per game. All of a sudden, 2015 and 2014 begin to look VERY similar, particularly when one notes the absence of the FCS McNeese game.
It is troubling to me that LSU's opponents' YPA increased in 2015 compared to 2014. However, the 2015 YPA is equal to or better than 2013, 2010, and 2008.
It should be especially troubling, given that @ Syracuse, vs. Eastern Michigan, vs. South Carolina, vs. Florida, LSU faced a backup quarterback. that's the entire month of october for those playing at home.
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All in all, the results are not completely unexpected given a new DC and the status of the LSU defense.
this is where we disagree. many people who tried to defend this hire said that , given the talent LSU had, theres no way that there would be any significant drop off, even with a coaching change. The defense made too many mental mistakes, very similar to 2013. 2013 was arguably chavis' worst year, but you look at the games that were really bad, and it was @UGA and @bama - against 2 QBs currently on NFL rosters. the only QB LSU faced this season that will be on an NFL roster is Dak.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:48 pm to Andre
What a moronic neckbeard
Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:03 pm to dcw7g
2011 we played Oregon and West Virginia.
Those 2 offense's were probably better than any offense we've faced since then.
Those 2 offense's were probably better than any offense we've faced since then.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:06 pm to TchPowDog
This is what we get for relying on a retread who was recently demoted by the best defensive coach in the league. Two of Miles' last three DC hires have been trash.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:01 am to TchPowDog
I think we should wait for Pelinis contract to end and hire him as our DC? Who's with me?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:17 am to Andre
Last year was the tail of two halves.
First half of the season we looked like shite.
Wisconsin ran all over us. I they had a competent QB who knows how bad that game could have gotten.
Auburn and Miss State Skull dragged us.
Then we made a major turn around.
This year we just had a lot of issues.
We didn't know who we were covering 50% of the time. We let teams get good matchup (Pharaoh Cooper on Dwayne Thomas) Then we gave up a ton of yards against Eastern Michigan because we decided to play second string linebackers most of the game.
1 thing i will say, I like that we continued to bring pressure late in games.
First half of the season we looked like shite.
Wisconsin ran all over us. I they had a competent QB who knows how bad that game could have gotten.
Auburn and Miss State Skull dragged us.
Then we made a major turn around.
This year we just had a lot of issues.
We didn't know who we were covering 50% of the time. We let teams get good matchup (Pharaoh Cooper on Dwayne Thomas) Then we gave up a ton of yards against Eastern Michigan because we decided to play second string linebackers most of the game.
1 thing i will say, I like that we continued to bring pressure late in games.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:52 am to TeamLSU
I can tell you now the main reason for the Kevin Steele hire was to have an advantage over Alabama.
Well we saw how that worked out.
Lack of depth at the DLine position killed us during bad end of the stretch too imo.
Well we saw how that worked out.
Lack of depth at the DLine position killed us during bad end of the stretch too imo.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:58 am to SpeckledTiger
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These types of errors are always expected when a new coordinator implements a new system.
According to Steele he didn't want to mess with something that was working so he left things as is and didn't implement anything new.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 6:13 am to TchPowDog
anyone notice that with the exception of 2011..
Our best years on defense were the 1st 3 after Saban.
MMMM
Just for the record. that 2011 team was sick with defense talent.
about as close as you can get to a nfl defense playing in college games.
Our best years on defense were the 1st 3 after Saban.
MMMM
Just for the record. that 2011 team was sick with defense talent.
about as close as you can get to a nfl defense playing in college games.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 6:27 am to cj2002
quote:
Just for the record. that 2011 team was sick with defense talent.
I agree. You have to give coaching staff credit for recognizing, recruiting and/or coaching up those players.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 6:46 am to TchPowDog
obligatory "our defense could be worse. do you remember the 90's? you wanna go back to that?"
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