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Stoops and Ferentz - The Alternative Methods of Change.

Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:33 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:33 am
After reading the post on OU and all the changes Stoops made after last year, here's the alternative method of change that undefeated Iowa took:

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"The Hawkeyes' program had become stale, failing to win more than eight games in any season since 2009. The streak of sellouts disappeared, and heading into the 2015 season, Iowa saw a 10 percent drop in season tickets, with only 64 percent of fans renewing their season tickets."


Whoa.

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"Going to Iowa football isn't a thing you do these days, because people have better things to do. They have better things to do than sit in the cold in a stadium with no cell service, with benches the athletic department hasn't bothered to clear of snow and with a football team that seems content going 7-5 or 8-4.

"We weren't playing Iowa football," offensive line coach Brian Ferentz tells 'The Inside Read'. "We weren't tough and physical. We weren't any of those things. We lost close games. We were sh---- on special teams, got the ball run up our a-- and we didn't run the ball. We just weren't us. There was a lot of disappointment and frustration. I'd go so far as to say embarrassment because that's not who we are."

Iowa still has the same offensive scheme as last year, all the same coaches. So what changed? Nothing major, they just started to do the little things better, changed their practice routine and (this is where it gets good LSU fans...) turned around their Special Teams -

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"Ferentz, who once joked that he might never return a punt again, took advice from former [Iowa] punt returner Micah Hyde, who has turned into one of the NFL's best return men for the Green Bay Packers.

On last Wednesday's WIXX show, Hyde was asked if he returned punts at Iowa.

"My junior and senior years I did it," he said, "but we had a bunch of freshmen out there. So it was fair-catch, fair-catch, fair-catch. I never really returned the ball."

"When I got here and returned a couple," Hyde said, "my coaches from back there [at Iowa] were like ‘Why didn't you do that here?'

His reply: "Well, you guys had freshmen blocking for me. I wasn't able to do anything."

This year, Iowa has put some of its best players on punt return and subsequently jumped from 106th to 23rd nationally in punt return average."


So we have a Stoops who changed his entire offensive scheme and a Ferentz who stuck with his scheme but did a much better job of coaching it. Both coaches are in the Playoffs at this point and have proven that there is more than one way to make a complete turnaround in college football. This is why I love the sport, you just never know what you're going to get. Unless you don't change anything...


Posted by Kcrad
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:40 am to
TL;DR

I agree.
Posted by kbro
North Carolina, via NOLA
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:48 am to
So you're saying there's a chance?
Posted by jembeurt
Raceland
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:25 am to
So all Miles would have to do is play the 60th ranked sos, instead of a top 5 every year, and he too could be like Ferentz.

Got it!
Posted by The Last Coco
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:11 am to
It also really helps that they have Jr QBs.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:39 am to
quote:

So we have a Stoops who changed his entire offensive scheme and a Ferentz who stuck with his scheme but did a much better job of coaching it. Both coaches are in the Playoffs at this point and have proven that there is more than one way to make a complete turnaround in college football. This is why I love the sport, you just never know what you're going to get. Unless you don't change anythin


1) Iowa doesn't have to play Michigan St, Michigan, Ohio St or even Penn State, and have dookie on OOC teams. I mean it really helps when just about everybody else is your division sucks balls more than usual, you don't have to play any of the top four teams from the other divjsion, and your OOC schedule consists of Iowa St, Illinois St, Pittsburgh and North Texas.

2) I like what Mark Stoops did. Tennessee would be tied for the best team Iowa has faced to date (Northwestern) and Oklahoma had to play Okie St, Baylor and TCU who would all kill Iowa.




If LSU had that schedule, they'd go undefeated too.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:49 am to
quote:

"Ferentz, who once joked that he might never return a punt again, took advice from former [Iowa] punt returner Micah Hyde, who has turned into one of the NFL's best return men for the Green Bay Packers.

On last Wednesday's WIXX show, Hyde was asked if he returned punts at Iowa.

"My junior and senior years I did it," he said, "but we had a bunch of freshmen out there. So it was fair-catch, fair-catch, fair-catch. I never really returned the ball."

"When I got here and returned a couple," Hyde said, "my coaches from back there [at Iowa] were like ‘Why didn't you do that here?'

His reply: "Well, you guys had freshmen blocking for me. I wasn't able to do anything."

This year, Iowa has put some of its best players on punt return and subsequently jumped from 106th to 23rd nationally in punt return average."


This was one of the problems we had this year. But we've had younger guys on special teams before that did well, adn they turned out to be really good players when they got older. Maybe those younger guys we have now won't amount to much later.

I can remember guys talking about arguing over playing on the kickoff team.

The proper personnel on special teams can definitely play a big role in how successful you are. We were not.
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:16 pm to
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What we were doing wasn't working, and that's a really hard thing to be honest with yourself about, I believe.

When you get beat like that, I think you really have to be honest with yourself. And what it was, it was symptomatic of bigger problems. That's what we felt like. And when you look at the season and look at the games we lost and the ways we lost them, if you're not honest with yourself, then you have no chance to improve. So whatever we were doing wasn't working.


best quote in there IMO. from the younger Ferentz, the OL coach. we need to sign him up, get out from under daddy's shadow.
Posted by TigerNE
Everett, MA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:33 pm to
Iowa also got a scheduling break. I don't think they played Michigan, Michigan State, or Ohio State. And maybe Penn State? Nothing against Ferentz he's good.
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