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How does this board look if Harris doesn't overthrow 1 out of every 3 passes?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:18 am
1 of 3 may be a stretch, I know. Many of us agree that the offensive philosophy is antiquated, to say the least. It's predicable and unexciting, and clearly doesn't work against November competition, because those teams will not be bullied.
But let's be clear. Harris did this team no favors last month. Maybe that's on Cam which in turn is on Les, but it doesn't change the fact that Harris let's a lot of balls sail. He's left receivers out to dry and when we pass to Fournette twice every 3 games, it's rarely a cleanly thrown ball that hits him in stride.
I'm as frustrated with the offense as anyone. But let's remember what Cam did with Mett from '12-'13. Hopefully we see a similar leap from Harris. If he improves in this one area alone, then we could all be singing a different tune. The philosophy won't change, but Harris can get better. If he can make that leap next year, then look out.
tl; dr glass half full
But let's be clear. Harris did this team no favors last month. Maybe that's on Cam which in turn is on Les, but it doesn't change the fact that Harris let's a lot of balls sail. He's left receivers out to dry and when we pass to Fournette twice every 3 games, it's rarely a cleanly thrown ball that hits him in stride.
I'm as frustrated with the offense as anyone. But let's remember what Cam did with Mett from '12-'13. Hopefully we see a similar leap from Harris. If he improves in this one area alone, then we could all be singing a different tune. The philosophy won't change, but Harris can get better. If he can make that leap next year, then look out.
tl; dr glass half full
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:19 am to cas4t
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I'm as frustrated with the offense as anyone. But let's remember what Cam did with Mett from '12-'13. Hopefully we see a similar leap from Harris. If he improves in this one area alone, then we could all be singing a different tune. The philosophy won't change, but Harris can get better. If he can make that leap next year, then look out.
tl; dr glass half full
frick it. Pour me a glass.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:20 am to cas4t
I remember Mett having trouble on the deep balls, but he always seemed pretty good at those screens. Remember how he would side arm that shovel pass play? I liked how he did that. Got the ball to Hill quick.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:21 am to cas4t
After his pick, I believe he is now always scared to throw another. Hes thinking too much and throws it high so either his teammate can get it or nobody can. Just needs to settle down and work on his form/footwork. Another offseason should help A TON.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:21 am to cas4t
Coupled with a little bit better execution, both from QB and receivers, I'd love to see a scheme similar to Saturday's thought next season. We shall see.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:21 am to cas4t
screen pass has him confused as well. It is either a bullet or at their feet. Just get the ball to the RB and let him take off. The only job on the play is to not give it away to soon and throw the ball to the back. You may have to throw over someone now and then but Im sure that is done at practice as well. Sometimes with Brandon I just think it is nerves. Just needs more experience IMO
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:25 am to cas4t
Having been a QB myself, the biggest thing you can do to a QB is try and force him to be a QB that he is not. I think we are trying to make Harris a pocket passer, and that is not his strength. He isn't accurate enough to sit in the pocket and make every throw, because he cannot make every throw. What Harris needs is to be able to get out of the pocket and make plays by extending the play and allowing his WRs to stretch the field, a lot like he did against Miss State last year when he blew up that 4th quarter.
I am not fast, and I have been put into situations where I had to make plays with my feet and I just wasn't able to. I think that is what we are trying to do with Harris and it is not working like we want. If we want someone to sit in the pocket and make every throw we need to recruit a guy that can do that.
I want to see the OC let Harris go out there and make plays. He doesn't look comfortable out there. I think our offense can really catch fire if we take the handcuffs off.
I am not fast, and I have been put into situations where I had to make plays with my feet and I just wasn't able to. I think that is what we are trying to do with Harris and it is not working like we want. If we want someone to sit in the pocket and make every throw we need to recruit a guy that can do that.
I want to see the OC let Harris go out there and make plays. He doesn't look comfortable out there. I think our offense can really catch fire if we take the handcuffs off.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:26 am to cas4t
Mett struggled his JR year hear and dealt with way less drops than Harris did. Harris will improve. The first 7 games he looked WAY better than what he did his freshman year. November rolled around Bama and Arkansas shut down our running game. The oline became soft and were getting penalties left and right. Neither of these things were confidence boosters. Just like Mett in his JR year, Harris has made some beautiful throws in tight coverage. Which shows he has the talent he just needs to improve his accuracy and timing.
BH Sophomore Stats
1,904 yds - 53.2%, 12 TD - 5 INT in 11 games
ZM Junior Stats.
2,609 yds - 58.8%, 12 TD - 7 INT in 13 games.
BH Sophomore Stats
1,904 yds - 53.2%, 12 TD - 5 INT in 11 games
ZM Junior Stats.
2,609 yds - 58.8%, 12 TD - 7 INT in 13 games.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:27 am to cas4t
If we connect on more passes, we probably pass more, and the board is a while lot more positive.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:31 am to cas4t
Agreed. I'm all in with putting the blame on Harris. He did the team a disservice.
This is where I disagree. It seem like the Tiger faithful are holding out hope that next year will somehow be similar. What about the other shitty years? Does Cam & Co. get a pass for those dismal years? Aside of LF7, the whole offense needs retooling; including our wide outs who seem to have grease on their hands sometimes.
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But let's remember what Cam did with Mett from '12-'13.
This is where I disagree. It seem like the Tiger faithful are holding out hope that next year will somehow be similar. What about the other shitty years? Does Cam & Co. get a pass for those dismal years? Aside of LF7, the whole offense needs retooling; including our wide outs who seem to have grease on their hands sometimes.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:32 am to cas4t
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How does this board look if Harris doesn't overthrow 1 out of every 3 passes?
Lack in trust of self, some call that confidence
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:32 am to cas4t
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if Harris doesn't overthrow 1 out of every 3 passes? by cas4t
while I agree BH hasn't played at the level I had hoped or thought he would there is a lot more to this than him being inaccurate...blocking, play calling, development. I still don't think our QB's are put in the best situation to excel...whether it be the play calling or how they are prepared or developed.
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let's remember what Cam did with Mett from '12-'13.
lets also remember he had been through 2-3 different schools and was much more mature than BH. Also that had our staff given any thought to the future met would have been being developed in 2011 when we were blowing everyone out...we knew he would be our QB in 2012 but still didn't use our opportunities to get him live game reps.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:32 am to cas4t
That's a fair assessment of the offense, OP. Although I do wonder how much of that improvement in the offense was due to having two all world WRs in 2013
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:33 am to cas4t
overthrown?
how about when he threw one in the dirt to a wide open tyron johnson on 3rd down? Les just sort of sighed, turned and walked away
fwiw, I believe Harris can get better, but that's on the coaches
how about when he threw one in the dirt to a wide open tyron johnson on 3rd down? Les just sort of sighed, turned and walked away
fwiw, I believe Harris can get better, but that's on the coaches
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:37 am to cas4t
Make all the excuses you want, but the fact is that we had five games where we got beat by 14 or more the past 2 years. 6 if you want to count the MSU game last year where it took a miracle comeback to get it to within 6 points. In all three of those games this year we were only down by a touchdown or fewer in the 3rd only to have the other team pull away. That shows a lack of adaptation and the stubbornness of hitting your head against the wall over and over. Harris might not be doing them any favors but 1) Harris was recruited by Miles and Cam and 2) Harris' development is a direct result of their coaching. This gets glossed over like there is no huge arse elephant in the room. At some point Miles will have to accept responsibility for underachieving with all of these top recruiting classes.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:56 am to cas4t
frick it, I'm in. He has the raw talent.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:15 pm to cas4t
How does the board look? Pretty freakin happy as we will be steamrolling our competition including the November gauntlet.
It does seem odd to me that Harris' problems seem pretty rudimentary and as such should have been worked out sooner, but what the hell do I know?
It does seem odd to me that Harris' problems seem pretty rudimentary and as such should have been worked out sooner, but what the hell do I know?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:48 pm to cas4t
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But let's remember what Cam did with Mett from '12-'13. Hopefully we see a similar leap from Harris.
This is too simplistic.
Mett's big leap was primarily due to simply getting out from under Stud, whose offense was just awful. Mett also had an NFL RB and two NFL WRs (which Harris already has now).
Also, let's not forget that Mett wasn't a raw QB when he got here. He had a spring at UGA where he challenged Aaron Murray for the starting job. After his off-field incident derailed him at UGA, he went to JUCO and lit it up.
So when he stepped on our campus, he had some seasoning. And just getting out from under Stud was a big reason Mett improved between 2012-13.
That level of improvement isn't going to happen with Harris, who's already been in Cam's system almost two full years, with one full season now as starter.
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