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re: Miles and Cameron to visit Feleipe Franks - Looks Like Cam may be Staying
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:00 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:00 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Tiger Voodoo
Nailed it.
2008 looks bad because of the pick 6s but the concepts were pretty solid. We moved the ball well when Lee didn't throw it to the other team.
2011 was solid.
2012 took a bit to get in the groove but CLEARLY improved over the season.
2013 was good.
2014 was pretty bad.
2015 had some flashes. We ran the ball well at times and the passes were there but Harris just couldn't make the throws all the time. He was erratic. Honestly, I don't think it was necessarily scheme. Harris just shite the bed 2nd half of the season.
Maybe it takes someone like Mett to run the offense, IDK. Regardless, the throws have been there for Harris. shite, look at the Moo State, Auburn, SCAR, and Florida games. Harris didn't light the world on fire but he had 64%+ completions and didn't turn it over. He ran the ball well when needed in those games too. Even factoring in the games sense then, I don't think he's necessarily a bad QB. He's got the talent he just hasn't harnessed it.
Ultimately, QB development is part of Cam's job. In terms of scheme I don't think he has been terrible...he just hasn't developed Harris into what we need.
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:30 pm to Srbtiger06
I posted this a few days ago in response to a thread about getting a West Coast offense OC to come in and change things, but in a less radical way. It applies here because it had to do with this issues of combining Cam's offense with Miles' conservative philosophy.
The biggest issue with Miles/Crowton and Miles/Cam is that their philosophies are incongruent. It was obvious with Crowton. All the damn schizophrenic shifting from spread and pistol to I was insane. It was obvious that those two were oil and water once Miles lost faith in 08 and started meddling more.
On the surface, it looks like Miles and Cam's systems would fit well together. It worked in year one because we had an offense littered with NFL staters. We could run I with 2 WRs and still pass effectively because those 2 WRs were just better than everyone except Bama's defenders.
Without that level of talent, this current system becomes a complete mess. Our refusal to throw over the middle doesn't keep LBs and Safties honest. They can cheat up to stop the run knowing that, even if we play action pass, we are likely either going downfield, or lately, to LF out of the backfield. Even on the rare occasion we throw over the middle to a TE, Smith is the only one capable of breaking a big play, and he rarely gets a chance. Also, if we don't run, they are free to continue on and rush the passer with little risk, because we are usually trying to go downfield.
We've all discussed the downfield throws. It takes a very good to great college QB with touch and accuracy to make those throws. Harris and Jennings just aren't there. Even with play action, we rarely see big play opportunities anymore because, even with 8 in the box, you can double 1 WR, single the other, and still have a safety that can get back into the play if one of the routes is short to medium range. Miles and Cam's philosophies actually focus attention on the weaknesses of each. If you don't have amazing talent and execution (remember the 2013 OM game?), you will struggle.
The biggest issue with Miles/Crowton and Miles/Cam is that their philosophies are incongruent. It was obvious with Crowton. All the damn schizophrenic shifting from spread and pistol to I was insane. It was obvious that those two were oil and water once Miles lost faith in 08 and started meddling more.
On the surface, it looks like Miles and Cam's systems would fit well together. It worked in year one because we had an offense littered with NFL staters. We could run I with 2 WRs and still pass effectively because those 2 WRs were just better than everyone except Bama's defenders.
Without that level of talent, this current system becomes a complete mess. Our refusal to throw over the middle doesn't keep LBs and Safties honest. They can cheat up to stop the run knowing that, even if we play action pass, we are likely either going downfield, or lately, to LF out of the backfield. Even on the rare occasion we throw over the middle to a TE, Smith is the only one capable of breaking a big play, and he rarely gets a chance. Also, if we don't run, they are free to continue on and rush the passer with little risk, because we are usually trying to go downfield.
We've all discussed the downfield throws. It takes a very good to great college QB with touch and accuracy to make those throws. Harris and Jennings just aren't there. Even with play action, we rarely see big play opportunities anymore because, even with 8 in the box, you can double 1 WR, single the other, and still have a safety that can get back into the play if one of the routes is short to medium range. Miles and Cam's philosophies actually focus attention on the weaknesses of each. If you don't have amazing talent and execution (remember the 2013 OM game?), you will struggle.
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