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re: WWTOTD: Race war coming to LSU, per bathroom graffiti

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Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:52 am to
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It's just amazing to me that so many people on this board think Africa just didn't develop like the rest of the world because they were lazy and dumb.


Wow...that dude basically refuted your Neolithic level talking points and you think he's agreeing with you?

The person who couldn't name a single Sub-Saharan contribution?

No one denies that colonialism took its toll on Africa, but your assertion that it was in ANY way on par with the rest of the world is just bupkis.


And NO ONE said Africans were inherently lazy.

And I taught "African-American History" so I can assure you I know more about it than you.

The question is why it didn't develop.
I suggest you read (or attempt to at least) Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel".


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Posted by 504ByrdGang
Member since Nov 2013
2495 posts
Posted on 9/4/15 at 4:22 am to
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Wow...that dude basically refuted your Neolithic level talking points and you think he's agreeing with you?

The person who couldn't name a single Sub-Saharan contribution?

No one denies that colonialism took its toll on Africa, but your assertion that it was in ANY way on par with the rest of the world is just bupkis.


And NO ONE said Africans were inherently lazy.

And I taught "African-American History" so I can assure you I know more about it than you.

The question is why it didn't develop.
I suggest you read (or attempt to at least) Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel".



I could name them I started ignoring the thread because I got tired of reading the racist shite. I didnt said he agreed with me he is just being informed unlike most poster here instead of making some dumb comment. I will read up on it I never said I was fully knowledged on it but when people on here are saying Europeans found africans and naked cannibals it leads me to believe they don't know about the coloniztion and the toll it did take.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 9/4/15 at 7:42 am to
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The person who couldn't name a single Sub-Saharan contribution?


The best source for information, if interested in history, is:

The Intellectual Traditions of Pre-Colonial Africa 1st Edition by Constance B. Hilliard

She's a University of North Texas professor who wrote it with help/inspiration from Marilyn Waldman, an historian from Southern Illinois University.

From these ancient peoples came the following:

Math - Eight thousand years ago, people in present-day Zaire developed their own numeration system, as did Yoruba people in what is now Nigeria. The Yoruba system was based on units of 20 (instead of 10) and required an impressive amount of subtraction to identify different numbers. Scholars have lauded this system, as it required much abstract reasoning

Astronomy - A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar (5). The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations (6). Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events. The Dogon knew of Saturn’s rings, Jupiter’s moons, the spiral structure of the Milky Way and the orbit of the Sirius star system. Hundreds of years ago, they plotted orbits in this system accurately through the year 1990 (6). They knew this system contained a primary star and a secondary star (now called Sirius B) of immense density and not visible to the naked eye.

Metallurgy and tools - Many advances in metallurgy and tool making were made across the entirety of ancient Africa. These include steam engines, metal chisels and saws, copper and iron tools and weapons, nails, glue, carbon steel and bronze weapons and art. Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800°C — 200 to 400°C warmer than those of the Romans

Architecture and engineering - In the 12th century and much farther south, there were hundreds of great cities in Zimbabwe and Mozambique. There, massive stone complexes were the hubs of cities. One included a 250-meter-long, 15,000-ton curved granite wall (9). The cities featured huge castlelike compounds with numerous rooms for specific tasks, such as iron-smithing. In the 13th century, the empire of Mali boasted impressive cities, including Timbuktu, with grand palaces, mosques and universities

Medicine - Many treatments we use today were employed by several ancient peoples throughout Africa. Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria. Other plants used had anticancer properties, caused abortion and treated malaria — and these have been shown to be as effective as many modern-day Western treatments. Furthermore, Africans discovered ouabain, capsicum, physostigmine and reserpine. Medical procedures performed in ancient Africa before they were performed in Europe include vaccination, autopsy, limb traction and broken bone setting, bullet removal, brain surgery, skin grafting, filling of dental cavities, installation of false teeth, what is now known as Caesarean section, anesthesia and tissue cauterization.In addition, African cultures preformed surgeries under antiseptic conditions universally when this concept was only emerging in Europe.


Navigation - Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans. Thousands of miles of waterways across Africa were trade routes. Many ancient societies in Africa built a variety of boats, including small reed-based vessels, sailboats and grander structures with many cabins and even cooking facilities. The Mali and Songhai built boats 100 feet long and 13 feet wide that could carry up to 80 tons.Currents in the Atlantic Ocean flow from this part of West Africa to South America. Genetic evidence from plants and descriptions and art from societies inhabiting South America at the time suggest small numbers of West Africans sailed to the east coast of South America and remained there.Contemporary scientists have reconstructed these ancient vessels and their fishing gear and have completed the transatlantic voyage successfully. Around the same time as they were sailing to South America, the 13th century, these ancient peoples also sailed to China and back, carrying elephants as cargo

1. Kresge, N. “A history of black scientists.” ASBMB Today. February 2011.

2. Van Sertima, I. “The Lost Sciences of Africa: An Overview.” Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern. 7 – 26 (1983).

3. Woods, G. Science in Ancient Egypt (1988).

4. Zaslavsky, C. “The Yoruba Number System.” Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern. 110 – 127 (1983).

5. Lynch, B. M. & Robbins, L. H. Science 4343, 766 – 768 (1978).

6. Adams, H. “African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question.” Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern. 27 – 46 (1983).

7. Brooks, L. African Achievements: Leaders, Civilizations and Cultures of Ancient Africa. (1971).

8. Shore, D. “Steel-Making in Ancient Africa.” Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern.157 – 162 (1983).

9. Asante, M. et al. “Great Zimbabwe: An Ancient African City-State.” Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern. 84 – 91 (1983).

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