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re: LSU 91 Queensland 88 - Final Stats

Posted on 8/18/15 at 11:58 am to
Posted by LSUButt
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 11:58 am to
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He basically was a non factor the last part of the season, his minutes decreased severely while Patterson's shot up.



Yea, he played more, but there were still several games where Gray played over 20 minutes. You know why? Because JP isn't a PG. TQ was playing 30 minutes a game, as well...and TQ was running PG.

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I'll take last SEASON'S performance over a few non-collegiate games in Australia as a true measure of shooters and who is better with the ball.


In case you didn't know, I can throw some stats at you.

JP: 24.5 MPG, 6.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.2 apg, .8 to, 1.2 spg, 40.8% FG

JG: 24.8 mpg, 7.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.6 to, 1.0 spg, 39.6% FG

The point is, that when you really peel back the stats, they tell you a different tale. Everyone expected Gray to drop 20 points and 10 assists so they're viewed differently. JP was way more steady than Gray, I'll give you that. However, there were games that Gray literally was instrumental in winning. Yes, he had bad games too...which is why I said inconsistent.

You can't say Gray had a bad year and JP had a good year, unless you concede that Gray has more potential and ability and didn't perform to expectations.

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Huh? He played a ton of PG especially when Gray's minutes vanished. Way way more than "once or twice". He played some PG role in just about any game he played in, increasingly when Gray sat the bench more and more.


That simply isn't true. Tim Quarterman played Point Guard every time Gray was on the bench. Gray ONLY played PG when he was in the game. Not once were Gray and TQ on the bench at the same time


And I hate taking this position because I really like Patterson. But some of this is just false.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 11:59 am
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 12:24 pm to
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You can't say Gray had a bad year and JP had a good year, unless you concede that Gray has more potential and ability and didn't perform to expectations.



Uh, sure you can
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 12:34 pm to
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Yea, he played more, but there were still several games where Gray played over 20 minutes. You know why? Because JP isn't a PG. TQ was playing 30 minutes a game, as well...and TQ was running PG.


Look at Patterson's minutes by game vs. Gray's as last season progressed. You will find a strong correlation or less Gray & more Patterson.

Patterson played 25 or minutes in 11 of the final 12 games of the season, 9 of those were 31 minutes or more.

By comparison Gray played 25 minutes or less in 11 of those 12 games. 7 of those were under 20 minutes with 2 being in the SINGLE digits.

And JP can and absolutely DID play plenty of PG. Just because he doesnt create much doesnt mean he isn't a PG. He handled the ball in a lot of situations in games.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
68456 posts
Posted on 8/18/15 at 12:43 pm to
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In case you didn't know, I can throw some stats at you.

JP: 24.5 MPG, 6.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.2 apg, .8 to, 1.2 spg, 40.8% FG

JG: 24.8 mpg, 7.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.6 to, 1.0 spg, 39.6% FG

The point is, that when you really peel back the stats


Yes, let's peel back the stats, especially the ones you didn't mention.

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As you will notice, Gray took A LOT less 3 pointers than Patterson (53 vs. 118). He also was much more miserable shooting 3's than Patterson (26.4% vs. 37.3%). Gray also shot worse from 2 than Patterson (43.9% vs. 47.0%). not to mention Patterson once again blowing away Gray on free throws.

What this all equates to is Gray's true shot percentage being a miserable 45.0% with an effective FG % of 42.9%. Compare that to Jalyn Patterson who had a true shot percentage of 54.4% and an effective FG % of 52.7%. So not only was Gray much more careless with the basketball than Patterson (much worse Ast:TO ratio), he also was worse in every way when it came to shooting the ball in any factor.

If you quantify every statistic and come up with a PER for each player, Josh Gray was at 9.5 which is pretty terrible and Jalyn Patterson was at 14.3 which is respectable (especially for a true freshman).

The tow are not comparable at all, Patterson had a MUCH MUCH better season and is the reason why Gray's minutes got replaced with Patterson as the season went along.
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