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re: Gen. Douglas MacArthur "dug out dug"
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:15 pm to Poodlebrain
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:15 pm to Poodlebrain
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If you consider having a higher casualty rate to be awesome, then I'll concede your point.
I think I can defend the marines on this point. The problem is one of perspective and combat philosophy. The U.S. Army, and it's offspring, USAF think in terms of achieving tactical and operational objectives, while minimizing casualties - whether it be traditional doctrine or the evolution of that (i.e. the Powell doctrine, Shock and Awe). The USN and USMC strive to minimize casualties, of course, but this is also tempered by the need for speed - capital ships make fat, juicy targets. USN doctrine seeks to achieve objectives, particularly amphibious assaults and island seizing operations, very quickly to minimize the risk to capital ships - it takes months or years to replace those ships, while replacement sailors and marines are generally flowing at a steady rate.
It's callous, but it is logical and makes a certain degree of sense. Marines are more aggressive, by design. More aggression almost always results in more casualties in the initial phases of any operation. If you face a stubborn opponent like the Japanese, this can yield significantly more casualties over time than a more cautious approach - particularly if you have intact supply lines, air and naval superiority over the stubborn foe.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:49 pm to Ace Midnight
Dug Out Dug is still a piece of shite
Posted on 6/16/15 at 4:03 pm to Ace Midnight
Mission Accomplishment takes priority to Troop Welfare
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:30 pm to Ace Midnight
The Marines were used in a shock troop role during WWII, and that was appropriate for the missions they were assigned. The goal of amphibious invasions was to secure land bases for airfields and naval facilities. Seizing the islands quickly was imperative. Transferring men and material from ships to beachheads was not as efficient as unloading at port facilities. The Marines had to clear not only the beaches, but also the terrain from which the ports and airfields could be attacked.
The capital ships were high value targets, but the most valuable ships were the transport ships bringing the soldiers, sailors and airmen who would turn the captured islands into operational bases from which to project power forward towards Japan. And those transport ships were not as heavily armored, fast or maneuverable as warships.
The Marines are awesome. They are not awesomer than the Army.
The capital ships were high value targets, but the most valuable ships were the transport ships bringing the soldiers, sailors and airmen who would turn the captured islands into operational bases from which to project power forward towards Japan. And those transport ships were not as heavily armored, fast or maneuverable as warships.
The Marines are awesome. They are not awesomer than the Army.
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