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re: GOT Book Readers: Jon Snow question

Posted on 4/20/15 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Posted on 4/20/15 at 4:13 pm to
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MDS...If I recall correctly, Rob and Catlyn had an argument about who he name heir. I don't recall any pact being signed, other than Rob naming Jon his heir.



They did, but the chapter ended with Rob having his banner men affix their seals to his decree. I just researched and found it. It's chapter 45 in Storm.

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"One more matter. Lord Balon has left chaos in his wake, we hope. I would not do the same. Yet I have no son as yet, my brothers Bran and Rickon are dead, and my sister is wed to a Lannister. I've thought long and hard about who might follow me. I command you now as my true and loyal lords to fix your seals to this document as witnesses to my decision."



And I am in the Tyrion is Targeryan camp. The dragon does need it's third head!
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/20/15 at 4:21 pm to
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And I am in the Tyrion is Targeryan camp. The dragon does need it's third head!


I'm skeptical of this, but I'd like it none-the-less.

However, going back to the show....

Did they purposely show her not being able to control/touch/get near the two dragons that are imprisoned because they are not "hers". We know she rides Drogon away, so she can get near him (also seen in last nights episode). The other two are not "hers", but someone else's (Jon, Tyrion, Aegon??). Thoughts.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/20/15 at 4:53 pm to
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And I am in the Tyrion is Targeryan camp. The dragon does need it's third head!



Really, that's not all that important if it means sacrificing Tyrion's and Tywin's character as a whole to do it. Tyrion being the Mad King's son is not enticing or interesting. All it does is turn Tywin into the Evil Stepfather, gives Tywin motive for hating Tyrion, and lets Tyrion completely off for murdering his own father. That's not interesting. It makes the relationship between the two characters much simpler, and simultaneously makes less sense.

If Tywin even suspected that Tyrion was Aerys child of rape, he would have had a servant through him off a cliff face from Casterly Rock and resigned from being Hand much sooner. I also think he would have almost immediately joined Robert in Robert's Rebellion (although Jaime makes this one a bit more iffy than the other 2).

Tywin's hatred for Tyrion is interesting because Tyrion is a twisted form of Tywin. He shares all the same attributes as his son, from his calculating nature, to his shrewdness, to his intelligence, his gift for governing, to his shaky relationship with his own father, to their mutual love of whoring.

The only thing that really separates the two of them is how they were raised. If Tyrion was born in Tywin's body, he would have turned out much the same, and vice versa. Tywin became joyless because of his father, while Tyrion took laughter up as armor, which of course pisses Tywin off even more. This is what is interesting, in how a father treats his own son so horribly and has his own son's wife gang rapped in front of him only to have his son finish him off.

Now, let's take it from their POV's if they were to find out about Tyrion being Aerys son. For Tyrion, he'd laugh, tell his evil stepfather's memory to frick off, and then laugh again when he considers how Jaime will react to this bit of news. He will not give a frick if he's Aerys son, just so long as he's not Tywin's. As for Tywin, he'd feel validated for treating his son like complete shite and then command Ser Meryn to kill him in his sleep. I instead find it better that Tyrion killed him for being a cesspool of a father instead of just an evil man who tortured him.
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