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Miles uses a system that prepares college athletes for the NFL. Thanks to gimmick highschool offenses, many talented players have the talent, but not the intellectual grasp of a more advanced offense.

Yea, his system prepares players for the NFL and doesn't do absolutely anything to help us win more college football games. We have one of the worst offenses in college football considering our talent level as I already pointed out.

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You said yourself we have recruited continuously 4 star qbs, why would they come here if they didnt trust Cam, Miles or the system?

I never said that we continuously recruit 4* QB's, that would insinuate that we get one or two a year and our QB recruiting and retainment has been absolutely terrible since Cam showed up. We've had Lee, Jefferson, Jennings, Harris, and Mettenberger actually sign and stay and out of the ones that signed out of high school, how many of those turned out halfway worth a shite? They were all pretty solid talents and they all look like 2* players. Pretty sure Gunner Kiel's doing fine though and I don't hear him praising Cam Cameron

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Mettenberger specifically said when Cam got here, the first thing he did was sit Mett down and ask him what he felt most comfortable running, what were his favorite plays, and they decided together to develop a system around those two pieces.

How'd that work out? We had OBJ, Landry, Hill, Mett, and a solid line all at the same time and our offense was pretty average

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Nearly every QB that has studied under Cam, or even highschool QBs that just sit down and have a conversation with him rave about his coaching style and philosophies.

Yea, they talk about his ability to prepare them for the NFL. I've never once heard a current or former player say "Cam will have the best offense in the NCAA in a few years, just give him time". It's always "Cam teaches us so much and we're lucky to be learning a pro style offense in college to prepare us for the next level"

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At the cost of preparing our athletes for NFL offenses and not becoming a gimmick offense (many teams have high powered offenses, but lose the big games when prep time is allowed, if I have to cite examples then you dont follow CFB)

Kinda like Oregon and TCU? Those high powered offenses really shite the bed this bowl season huh? I'd much rather have a "gimmick" offense aka college level offense that players fully understand and execute than a pro style offense that neither Jennings nor Harris will understand this year and have to sit through incomplete pass after incomplete pass while we have one of the most loaded offenses talent-wise in the nation.

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we have to have at least three years prep time before a QB really shines in our system.

Where exactly is that 3 year number coming from? Always one year away from greatness under Miles huh? Because so far, it seems like his offense is too complicated for college QB's to pick up and Jennings pretty much supports that statement considering he looked like he was regressing at the end of last season. That's my entire point. Cam Cameron isn't a bad coordinator by any means, I just agreed that he's great at developing players for the NFL. But he's a terrible fit for a college program because it shouldn't take 4 years for a QB to become serviceable.

Why exactly do you think we have depth issues? Talented high school quarterbacks have absolutely no desire to go to a school where every single quarterback has looked like complete shite with absolutely no improvement anywhere in sight. If kids were crawling out of the woodwork for play for Cam Cameron like you say they are, we wouldn't be in the position we're in right now with 2 true scholarship QB's on the team. I know you think you're giving some groundbreaking analysis by saying that we have depth issues but you obviously don't understand that there's a reason as to why we have them and it lies in the fact that Cam Cameron isn't making the necessary adjustments to be successful at the college level.

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Posted by BillyBobBlitzkrieg

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Posted on 3/31/15 at 4:43 pm to southeasttiger113

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Yea, his system prepares players for the NFL and doesn't do absolutely anything to help us win more college football games. We have one of the worst offenses in college football considering our talent level as I already pointed out.

Les Miles philosophy doesnt concern you or your opinions. He is looking to have a successful football program, and elevate his student athletes to the next level. He has his and their best interest in mind. Not yours

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I never said that we continuously recruit 4* QB's, that would insinuate that we get one or two a year and our QB recruiting and retainment has been absolutely terrible since Cam showed up. We've had Lee, Jefferson, Jennings, Harris, and Mettenberger actually sign and stay and out of the ones that signed out of high school, how many of those turned out halfway worth a shite? They were all pretty solid talents and they all look like 2* players. Pretty sure Gunner Kiel's doing fine though and I don't hear him praising Cam Cameron

This is Cams third year here. He has recruited Brandon Harris and McMillan. The jury is still out on what those two will provide as only one or two coaches in the country can get production that quickly from his QB's and neither coach in the SEC.

Gunner Kiel transferred from Notre Dame and plays for Cincinnati. He never boarded the plane, and was neither recruited by or coached by Cameron....

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How'd that work out? We had OBJ, Landry, Hill, Mett, and a solid line all at the same time and our offense was pretty average

In Camerons first year, the offense was average, but Mett had 4 different offensive coordinators in as many years. It took adjustment. In 2013, we broke SEC records and the offense saved the defense.

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Yea, they talk about his ability to prepare them for the NFL. I've never once heard a current or former player say "Cam will have the best offense in the NCAA in a few years, just give him time". It's always "Cam teaches us so much and we're lucky to be learning a pro style offense in college to prepare us for the next level"

Some people sacrifice long term goals for short term gains. Its a matter of philosophy, and when youre the man in charge, you set the philosophy.

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Kinda like Oregon and TCU? Those high powered offenses really shite the bed this bowl season huh? I'd much rather have a "gimmick" offense aka college level offense that players fully understand and execute than a pro style offense that neither Jennings nor Harris will understand this year and have to sit through incomplete pass after incomplete pass while we have one of the most loaded offenses talent-wise in the nation.

You see what we did to Oregon with Jarrett Lee as our QB in 2011 when our defense had time to prepare for them. We also beat West Virginia on their turf the same year. Ga Tech, Oregon, Texas Tech of old, all struggle when teams have time to prepare for their scheme, aka bowl games. How many National Championships has Oregon won with their super prolific offense?

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Why exactly do you think we have depth issues? Talented high school quarterbacks have absolutely no desire to go to a school where every single quarterback has looked like complete shite with absolutely no improvement anywhere in sight. If kids were crawling out of the woodwork for play for Cam Cameron like you say they are, we wouldn't be in the position we're in right now with 2 true scholarship QB's on the team. I know you think you're giving some groundbreaking analysis by saying that we have depth issues but you obviously don't understand that there's a reason as to why we have them and it lies in the fact that Cam Cameron isn't making the necessary adjustments to be successful at the college level.

Again, its year three. Cameron will have had three years with Jennings(who he didnt recruit) and two with Harris at the end of this season.

Tell that to Franks, the #1 dual threat QB FIRMLY committed to LSU and one Cam Cameron all while knowing we need depth and are looking to add a 2nd QB this cycle to provide depth...

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