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Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:41 am to CheerWhine
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An inside-the-park HR is in play, so I would think it should count toward BABIP. Then again, it's also a HR...
WHICH CAME FIRST CHICKEN OR EGG!?!?!?!
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:43 am to SouthOfSouth
quick google search...
quote:
In the park Home Runs are not tracked separately from HR and would not be included in BABIP.
Neither Fangraphs, Baseball-Reference nor MLB have in-the-park-homers tracked and thus do not include it in their BABIP calculations.
As there are only a few each year, and the number is very small in relation to the total number of hits, at-bats and home runs, these are not really a factor in making BABIP unreliable.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:43 am to AstroTiger
quote:ERRONEOUS!!!
As there are only a few each year, and the number is very small in relation to the total number of hits, at-bats and home runs, these are not really a factor in making BABIP unreliable.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:44 am to ell_13
Laird .400 (12-30)
Foster .391 (9-23)
Chinea .389 (14-36)
Hale .378 (17-45)
Scivicque .364 (8-22)
Fraley .348 (8-23)
Stevenson .313 (10-32)
Bregman .303 (10-33)
Robertson .250 (4-16)
Zardon .214 (6-28)
Beau Jordan .500 (1-2)
Sciambra .400 (4-10)
Byrd .333 (2-6)
Papierski .231 (3-13)
Bryce Jordan .167 (1-6)
Foster .391 (9-23)
Chinea .389 (14-36)
Hale .378 (17-45)
Scivicque .364 (8-22)
Fraley .348 (8-23)
Stevenson .313 (10-32)
Bregman .303 (10-33)
Robertson .250 (4-16)
Zardon .214 (6-28)
Beau Jordan .500 (1-2)
Sciambra .400 (4-10)
Byrd .333 (2-6)
Papierski .231 (3-13)
Bryce Jordan .167 (1-6)
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:45 am to TigerCub
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:45 am to AstroTiger
Good. Because honestly i didnt really feel like adjusting my formula for Laird.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:45 am to bbap
quote:
If for no other reason opposing teams/coaches are like frick this guy is their 9 hole?!
he sees a ton of fast balls toward the bottom of the lineup....foster is a great hitter but does strike out a little too much to be a 1 or 2 hole guy. he can mash fastballs but struggles with the curve. that's my main reason for it and it gives us extra life at the bottom of the order.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:46 am to ell_13
quote:
ERRONEOUS!!!
yeah screw that, i'm adjusting it going forward.
also one of my favorite stat nuances applies to LSU this year, a run that is earned to the player but not to the team so the totals don't appear to add up.
I LOVE THIS shite AND I MAY MOVE TO ENGLAND!
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 10:49 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:48 am to AstroTiger
quote:
yeah screw that, i'm adjusting it going forward.
The rule is basically just a lie to the world. Congrats stat guys on being lazy...
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:49 am to AstroTiger
quote:
a run that is earned to the player but not to the team so the totals don't appear to add up.
Yep I learned about that scoring quirk a few years ago.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:51 am to AstroTiger
quote:Esplain, Lucy!
also one of my favorite stat nuances applies to LSU this year, a run that is earned to the player but not to the team so the totals don't appear to add up
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:51 am to TigerCub
So... Laird to cleanup?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:52 am to TigerCub
when i think about what babip is trying to measure it's how often you are hitting the ball hard somewhere when you put it in play. Obviously luck sometimes plays into it but luck usually evens out after awhile. However, to me taking HR's out of the equation is a bit counter intuitive.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 10:53 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:52 am to TigerCub
Laird's BABIP goes from .402 to .409 with the HR included
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:53 am to AstroTiger
quote:
Laird's BABIP goes from .402 to .409 with the HR included
You would expect Laird to have a higher than average BABIP because he is so fast and can outrun alot of infield balls that others cannot.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:53 am to ell_13
It has to do with the situation where a relief pitcher doesn't get the same benefit when it comes to errors leading to unearned runs. For instance, say a relief pitcher comes in with 2 outs in an inning. But earlier in the inning, there was an error that is making all the runs the starting pitcher gave up after 2 outs unearned. If the relief pitcher gives up a homer in that inning, it's charged as an earned run to the pitcher but an unearned run to the team.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:54 am to ell_13
quote:
So... Laird to cleanup?
Obviously. But we'll have to reassess after Friday night.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:55 am to TigerCub
quote:
it's charged as an earned run to the pitcher but an unearned run to the team.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:55 am to TigerCub
quote:
It has to do with the situation where a relief pitcher doesn't get the same benefit when it comes to errors leading to unearned runs. For instance, say a relief pitcher comes in with 2 outs in an inning. But earlier in the inning, there was an error that is making all the runs the starting pitcher gave up after 2 outs unearned. If the relief pitcher gives up a homer in that inning, it's charged as an earned run to the pitcher but an unearned run to the team.
I disagree with the way this is handled. I have nothing else to add.
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