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re: Refinance gurus- I'm looking to refinance my mortgage- will it be worth it?

Posted on 3/10/15 at 9:51 pm to
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 9:51 pm to
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Don't you nean if the inflation rate is no less than 3%?


What I mean is that if you think the inflation rate is going to be x% for the next 30 years (more or less), then is a bad idea to borrow for less than that rate after tax at the cost of shortening the loan term.

Let's say you have a choice between borrowing at 4% for 30 years, or 3% for 15 years (I'm making up numbers here). If you itemize deductions at the 25% bracket, then your choice is 30 years at 3% or 15 year at 2.25% (after tax rates). And let's also assume that the rate of inflation for the next 30 years will be around 3%.

Under these conditions is makes no sense to take the 15 year mortgage because your return on investing the higher monthly note is negative. The 30 year is great because you are borrowing at a rate exactly equal to the rate of inflation. If your interest rate = the rate of inflation, you are paying nothing for the privilege of borrowing it.

Full disclosure - the long-term rate of inflation is actually closer to 2% but my point remains the same. People seem to think that you should cut your rate to 0 and prepay to get there. This is not correct - your rate should be close to inflation, not to zero.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89723 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 9:58 pm to
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People seem to think that you should cut your rate to 0 and prepay to get there.


Foshizzle - I appreciate the the effort that goes into you guys min/max formulas and this much over this time, etc., but it is not cut and dried.

A. You never consider that the person invests the mortgage payment at full value once the mortgage is paid off.

B. Y'all value housing at $0 and only view a positive in either profit on sale or equity you can tap into.

You can certainly make your case for 30 over 15, but it does NOT change the fact that the 30 year is significantly more expensive than the 15 year. You'll have to recoup that difference on the edges of the inflation rate - UNDER IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

My way - paying it off as soon as possible is simple - you cannot lose money on interest you don't pay on money you don't borrow. I don't care how cheap money is (and it has never been cheaper - I'll grant you) - the difference isn't as cut and dried. The min/maxers are making money, but it is literally pennies on the dollar of what you think it is.
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