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re: Marilyn vos Savant and the history of the Montel Hall question
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
Assuming the game host would never open a door containing the car, there are 12 possible scenarios here (4 separate ones for each door containing the car):
If Door 1 contains the car:
1) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 2. If guest switches, lose. If guest stays, win.
2) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 3. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
3) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 3. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
4) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 2. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
Theoretically there would be 2 more scenarios for Door 1 containing the car, but those would involve opening Door 1 which we've already ruled out for purposes of the contest. So far, switching is 50/50.
If Door 2 contains the car:
1) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 3. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
2) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 1. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
3) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 3. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
4) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 1. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
Still 50/50 by switching vs. staying.
If Door 3 contains the car:
1) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 2. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
2) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 1. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
3) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 1. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
4) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 2. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
Once again, 50/50.
What am I missing here?
If Door 1 contains the car:
1) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 2. If guest switches, lose. If guest stays, win.
2) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 3. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
3) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 3. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
4) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 2. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
Theoretically there would be 2 more scenarios for Door 1 containing the car, but those would involve opening Door 1 which we've already ruled out for purposes of the contest. So far, switching is 50/50.
If Door 2 contains the car:
1) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 3. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
2) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 1. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
3) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 3. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
4) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 1. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
Still 50/50 by switching vs. staying.
If Door 3 contains the car:
1) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 2. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
2) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 1. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
3) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 1. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
4) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 2. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
Once again, 50/50.
What am I missing here?
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:52 pm to CockHolliday
quote:
What am I missing here?
I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that you are considering 4 options instead of focusing on only 3 doors/options.
If you pick the right door initially, the host has 2 options on doors to open. As you basically noted, if you pick wrong initially, the host only has 1 door to open.
In your test, you are allowing the contestant to pick the correct door twice. In reality, there are 3 doors and he gets 1 initial pick, regardless which of the 2 goat doors the host decides to open next. So 1 and 2 in your test is really 1 OR 2 so ONE win, not two.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:31 pm to CockHolliday
quote:Your error is assuming that all 4 of these scenarios have an equal chance of occurring. I think the problem is better to frame from the original choice. Since the scenarios would play themselves out the same way for all three doors chosen, we will just assume door 1 is chosen.
If Door 1 contains the car:
1) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 2. If guest switches, lose. If guest stays, win.
2) Guest picks Door 1, host opens Door 3. Switch: lose. Stay: win.
3) Guest picks Door 2, host opens Door 3. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
4) Guest picks Door 3, host opens Door 2. Switch: win. Stay: lose.
Choose Door 1 and Switch: 2 wins; 1 loss
1.) 1/3 chance car is behind door one (either door can be open; it doesn't matter). Lose
2.) Car is behind door two (door three is open). Win
3.) Car is behind door 3 (door two is open). Win
Choose door 1 and Stay: 1 win; 2 loses
1.) 1/3 chance car is behind door one (either door can be open; it doesn't matter). Win
2.) Car is behind door two (door three is open). Lose
3.) Car is behind door 3 (door two is open). Lose
Basically, choosing the correct door on one's first choice is still 1/3 and it being behind one of the other two doors is 2/3. When you switch, you are basically choosing the other 2 doors (even though we know one doesn't have the car, as shown).
I think a common error is that there are technically 4 possibilities in the above scenarios, 2 of those possibilities occur when you choose the correct door immediately; however, those 2 possibilities can only add up to 1/3. For example, if you chose the correct door (1/3 chance), and each door then has a is a 1/2 chance of being opened, then choosing the correct door and door 2 being open is actually 1/6 (1/3*1/2); same for door 3. In other words, the odds either door 2 or door 3 is chosen must add up to 1/3.
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