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re: How many teams in west are more talented?
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Those stats are all fine and dandy. I don't care what AD does to Sixers or Magic or whoever. When he plays Memphis and LAC, and he's guarding Randolph and Griffin, he's not any better than they are. They are better individual scorers, AD is more athletic, and a better shot blocker. He's not jumping over Griffin for boards or dunks, and he's not getting around Zbo for boards or dunks. They are bigger than him and can push him around. They are all about equal playing each other.
At least I'm using stats in the points im making, your using these very broad terms and giving no quantifiable proof of what your saying.
And you keep saying that when they play each other they are better scorers than AD. AD is an average post up defender but he has shown the ability to block those hook shots and other post shots guys like Randolph and griffin like to use, he's not a pushover down low like in previous seasons.
And those guys have to guard AD on the other end as well, and a player that can guard him is hard to find, and Blake and ZBo are not those players. Just because they are bigger does not mean they are better scorers or can stop AD from scoring. AD has a better and more consistent jump shot than both those guys not to mention his ability to handle the ball, drive to the basket, post fade, floater, better free throw shooting, and his ability to draw fouls, and that's only his ISO scoring, I won't even get into his transition or PnR. Only thing they are better at offensively is back to the basket.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:24 pm to sma19
Did you watch AD in his 3 games against those two guys this year?
I did give proof. they outplayed him in 2 of the 3 games they've played.
AD has blocked Duncan and Dirk and Aldridge doing that. He's not blocking Griffin and Zbo. THey aren't guys taking hook shots.
Griffin is just as athletic and mobile as AD, has a better post game, and shoots his jump shot just as good as AD, 48% compared to 46% for Griffin (40% for ZBo).
When they play each other, they pretty much are the same player, with Griffin being a little stronger, and AD being longer and more active on the offensive boards.
ZBo is a better down low offensive player than both of them by a lot. No one uses their body better than him in the league. He's the worse defender of the 3, but the best rebounder.
AD is the worst ISO scorer of the 3, not that he's bad by any means. How many points a game does AD score in an iso situation? 80% of his scores are jump shots off screens, dunks off screens, fast breaks and put backs. People that watch him know this, which is why you here announcers/analysts say that they think he will be the best player in the world once we get a coach that wants to actually use him as an offensive weapon and he develops his game more.
They also all three draw fouls at a rate of 15% of their FGA.
When those 3 guys play each other, their is no clear cut answer to say one is better than the other. They are each a little better or worse in different areas in those matchups. Watch them play each other and tell me differently.
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At least I'm using stats in the points im making, your using these very broad terms and giving no quantifiable proof of what your saying.
I did give proof. they outplayed him in 2 of the 3 games they've played.
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And you keep saying that when they play each other they are better scorers than AD. AD is an average post up defender but he has shown the ability to block those hook shots and other post shots guys like Randolph and griffin like to use, he's not a pushover down low like in previous seasons.
AD has blocked Duncan and Dirk and Aldridge doing that. He's not blocking Griffin and Zbo. THey aren't guys taking hook shots.
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Just because they are bigger does not mean they are better scorers or can stop AD from scoring. AD has a better and more consistent jump shot than both those guys not to mention his ability to handle the ball, drive to the basket, post fade, floater, better free throw shooting, and his ability to draw fouls, and that's only his ISO scoring, I won't even get into his transition or PnR. Only thing they are better at offensively is back to the basket.
Griffin is just as athletic and mobile as AD, has a better post game, and shoots his jump shot just as good as AD, 48% compared to 46% for Griffin (40% for ZBo).
When they play each other, they pretty much are the same player, with Griffin being a little stronger, and AD being longer and more active on the offensive boards.
ZBo is a better down low offensive player than both of them by a lot. No one uses their body better than him in the league. He's the worse defender of the 3, but the best rebounder.
AD is the worst ISO scorer of the 3, not that he's bad by any means. How many points a game does AD score in an iso situation? 80% of his scores are jump shots off screens, dunks off screens, fast breaks and put backs. People that watch him know this, which is why you here announcers/analysts say that they think he will be the best player in the world once we get a coach that wants to actually use him as an offensive weapon and he develops his game more.
They also all three draw fouls at a rate of 15% of their FGA.
When those 3 guys play each other, their is no clear cut answer to say one is better than the other. They are each a little better or worse in different areas in those matchups. Watch them play each other and tell me differently.
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