re: Clinton vs Bush most probable 2016 race

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Ever hear of Obama before he ran in 08?

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You can't be serious with that statement on a political talk board. He was the talk of the political world after his keynote address at the 2004 convention as the nominee of his party for the IL U.S. senate seat that year, a seat he won by an overwhelming 47 point margin. He was an up-and-coming superstar, enjoying the media limelight before he won that election, before he was even sworn in as a U.S. senator.

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the two that are being touted as front runners right now.

Will fade down the stretch

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Very, very possible. If Clinton makes it through the entire primary season, she will win the nomination. The question is does she get derailed (or derail herself) long before the Iowa caucuses. I don't think 2015 is going to be good for her at all, but if she weathers all storms in the next 12 months, I believe she will win the nomination simply due to a lack of a viable contender. She's been riding free up to this point, but she will have to start paying the tolls soon, and those "tolls" will , well, take their toll on her - physically, psychologically and emotionally.