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When did the definition of creole change?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:39 pm
When I was in school, it meant a mix of Spanish and French. Then somewhere along the way, it began to include blacks, spanish, and french mixed together.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:40 pm to prplhze2000
I don't think it was ever Spanish and french
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:40 pm to prplhze2000
Sounds like a crazy frick in the sheets.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:41 pm to prplhze2000
I thought it was a mix of foljs from the carribean islands and french?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:41 pm to prplhze2000
I thought it was always a mix of black and french?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:43 pm to prplhze2000
Why would creole mean Spanish and French. thats a first for me. Spaniards and Frenchman from Europe are very similar look, Latin based languages, too many similarities.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:44 pm to prplhze2000
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When I was in school, it meant a mix of Spanish and French. Then somewhere along the way, it began to include blacks, spanish, and french mixed together.
Lol no
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:44 pm to prplhze2000
After the battle of san domingo in the early 19th century.... All the french and hatians that had already been intermingling were considered "creole" already when they landed in the city and da parish/9th ward
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:45 pm to prplhze2000
Creole originally referred to people that lived in a place before it was taken by a country and the new people came in. Kind of confusing.
Simply put, people that lived in New Orleans prior to the Louisiana Purchase were creoles.
Simply put, people that lived in New Orleans prior to the Louisiana Purchase were creoles.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:45 pm to prplhze2000
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When I was in school, it meant a mix of Spanish and French.
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Then somewhere along the way, it began to include blacks, spanish, and french mixed together.
You mean, like, forever?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:47 pm to prplhze2000
It has always meant, "of this place," referring to the early generations which were born here.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:48 pm to prplhze2000
Mulatto also means a biracial person from African and European ancestry. Mainly French, Spanish, or Portuguese. Many mulattos in Cuba, Dominican Republic, some in Puerto Rico, brazil etc
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:53 pm to prplhze2000
Wow dude just wow. Learn some louisiana history please!
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:03 pm to prplhze2000
Creoles were French people who were in LA before the Cajuns migrated here. Many of them mated with blacks and spanish people which gives many of them that hue that we associate with creole. Especially in NO.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:11 pm to prplhze2000
August 12, 2002 at 14:32 GMT
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:13 pm to prplhze2000
IIRC from my Louisiana History class in college, Louisiana Creoles were (as others have said), descendants of French or Spanish colonists, born in LA. They were white Creoles and mixed-race Creoles. I think among the social hierarchy at the time, white Creoles were considered the most upper class, as they had the heritage of Europeans but were born here. I remember reading Kate Chopin's "The Awakening" and she talked about white Creoles. If you Google "Louisiana Creole Whites" there's an article about Chopin and another study of Creoles from Yale which say similar things.
Not sure when exactly the use of Creole to mean just mixed-race people of European/African descent came about. Probably post Civil War.
ETA: I went back and found the links, in case anyone wants to read more on the Creole culture.
Loyola article on Kate Chopin
Yale article
Not sure when exactly the use of Creole to mean just mixed-race people of European/African descent came about. Probably post Civil War.
ETA: I went back and found the links, in case anyone wants to read more on the Creole culture.
Loyola article on Kate Chopin
Yale article
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:23 pm to prplhze2000
The meaning changes depending on point in history and place. In New Orleans, it originally meant the first generation born in the New World, generally French and Spanish. Creole was usually synonymous with wealthy, educated white people, again, who were French and Spanish. As (usually) French masters had children with African slaves, those children were also Creole. They had all the rights of their white half brothers and sisters. The right to be educated and to inherit land and money. There were white Creoles, Creoles of color and free people of color. After the Civil War, the meaning started changing again...
Cut to today in southwest Louisiana when Creole is often associated with black French cowboy culture.
There's a whole lot more to it, of course.
Cut to today in southwest Louisiana when Creole is often associated with black French cowboy culture.
There's a whole lot more to it, of course.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:27 pm to prplhze2000
There is louisiana creole and creole
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