Then you are just not following me, because I am being very clear here, as I have in the past on this topic. if I am on that grand jury and I see that video, even after I am told that nypd bans chokeholds, I don't find probable cause for negligence. Common sense tells you that yhe chance of death arising from that physical contact is very low. We as modern Americans have seen that kind of contact many, many times, not resulting in death. Negligence is about common sense.

There are chokeholds that clearly pose a greater risk. Here, the very low percentage chance of death panned out. That's all.

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Posted by the808bass

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Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:56 am to baybeefeetz

You continue to pretend that there is no known risk for death from chest and neck compression. I'm not sure why. It can't be simple ignorance. It must be simply propaganda.

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The NYPD has introduced a series of guidelines over the years designed to reduce deaths in police custody from procedures known to carry a risk of asphyxia. The practice of “hogtying” (tying a suspect’s rear-cuffed hands to cuffed or shackled ankles) - which has led to a number of deaths in the USA - was banned by the NYPD in 1987. In 1985 the NYPD banned the use of choke holds except in circumstances where deadly force was necessary to protect the life of the officer or others and this was the least dangerous option available. In 1993, the use of choke holds was banned in all cases, following concern about the deaths of several suspects from apparent asphyxia in the 1990s. [26] In 1994 the NYPD established the task force referred to above to review policy and training for handling prisoners who resist arrest. This resulted in the issuing of Positional Asphyxia Prevention Guidelines in September 1994. The guidelines reiterate what was mostly already NYPD policy, such as the ban on hogtying. They state that the risk of positional asphyxia increases where the restrained subject is obese and in a face-down position and if intoxicated with drugs or alcohol. The guidelines instruct officers not to transport or maintain a suspect face-down and wherever possible to avoid sitting or standing on

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This is a really old study, too. I'm sure there's a lot more dead guys from police restraint in the meantime. You can continue to be surprised by each and every one of them.