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re: Thoughts on The Hobbit: The Battle of 5 Armies (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:38 am to LeonPhelps
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:38 am to LeonPhelps
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My favorite part is when Thorin finally finds himself again, walks out of the deep of Erebor toward his kin with the light at his back, and asks his men to follow him one last time. Then, just as the last of Dain's men are set up for their last stand at the gates of Erebor, Bombur plays that awesome sound on that crazy horn, the statue crashes through the gates, and Thorin streams out with his crew. He has charges past Dain's men into the orcs. From afar, Bilbo sees it with Gandalf and says, "The Dwarves are rallying!" Gandalf responds in only the way Ian McKellan can, "They rally to their king." I basically had a boner the rest of the movie from that point.
Isn't this exactly how the Two Towers ended?
Eta: in the book it is all goblins, the only use of the word Orc was to refer to a larger breed of goblin. I don't think they were distinguished until later works. And yes, wargs were the 5th army, they were intelligent with their own language and meeting places, etc. Not simple beasts of burden as they are in the films.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:44 am
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:01 am to theGarnetWay
I've waited a few days to express my thoughts, and I might be repeating what others have said in the thread, but here's what I have to say.
First, I enjoyed the added material linking the Hobbit to LOTR. I know it's not canon stuff, but it works for me. I'm cool with "more" Middle Earth.
I would have appreciated a more "gritty" version of this movie. I didn't need the assistant master of Laketown character who got more screen time than Gandalf. I mean, who needs comic relief when there's so much comedy on display otherwise? Lots of bloodless violence (I know why... the ratings system) and comedic violence, like Smaug falling on the master of Laketown, the mass beheading of the orcs caught on the stag's horns, etc. etc. etc.
Cut the length of action scenes/fights, but make the action more meaningful and higher quality. I literally groaned when Azog burst through the ice, for example, for another round with Thorin. False death scenes don't work anymore. Let them go.
It's almost criminal how Beorn got no screen time in this movie. It makes his presence in the second movie completely unnecessary.
Some bad story edits in this movie.
What happened to Radagast? He's not in LOTR, so we will never know.
What happened to Tauriel after the battle? She's not in LOTR, so we will never know.
Who took over as King Under the Mountain? (I know it's Dain, but in the movie?) Movie audience will never know. It's not mentioned in movie LOTR.
As for unrealistic physics, I can understand the elves pulling shite off like that... they are essentially weightless (see Legolas walking ON TOP of snow in Fellowship of the Ring while everyone else sinks in it), but maybe Elf agility could have been explained better? I have less of a problem with Legolas walking up the stones than Bard riding a cart into a troll.
The best thing this movie did, for me, was the arrival of Dain and the Iron Hills dwarves. They did that perfectly. I got a total charge out of that. I especially loved Dain's speech to the elves. frick YEAH.
This movie is a B- when it really could have been an A with better editing. This all falls on the director. Everyone else did what they were supposed to do.
First, I enjoyed the added material linking the Hobbit to LOTR. I know it's not canon stuff, but it works for me. I'm cool with "more" Middle Earth.
I would have appreciated a more "gritty" version of this movie. I didn't need the assistant master of Laketown character who got more screen time than Gandalf. I mean, who needs comic relief when there's so much comedy on display otherwise? Lots of bloodless violence (I know why... the ratings system) and comedic violence, like Smaug falling on the master of Laketown, the mass beheading of the orcs caught on the stag's horns, etc. etc. etc.
Cut the length of action scenes/fights, but make the action more meaningful and higher quality. I literally groaned when Azog burst through the ice, for example, for another round with Thorin. False death scenes don't work anymore. Let them go.
It's almost criminal how Beorn got no screen time in this movie. It makes his presence in the second movie completely unnecessary.
Some bad story edits in this movie.
What happened to Radagast? He's not in LOTR, so we will never know.
What happened to Tauriel after the battle? She's not in LOTR, so we will never know.
Who took over as King Under the Mountain? (I know it's Dain, but in the movie?) Movie audience will never know. It's not mentioned in movie LOTR.
As for unrealistic physics, I can understand the elves pulling shite off like that... they are essentially weightless (see Legolas walking ON TOP of snow in Fellowship of the Ring while everyone else sinks in it), but maybe Elf agility could have been explained better? I have less of a problem with Legolas walking up the stones than Bard riding a cart into a troll.
The best thing this movie did, for me, was the arrival of Dain and the Iron Hills dwarves. They did that perfectly. I got a total charge out of that. I especially loved Dain's speech to the elves. frick YEAH.
This movie is a B- when it really could have been an A with better editing. This all falls on the director. Everyone else did what they were supposed to do.
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