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Grand Jury Doesn't Indict Cops who kill man with down syndrome
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:56 am
for refusing to leave a movie theater.
Basically looks like Eric Garner but the man in question just wanted to stay at the movie theater and watch zero dark thirty again.
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Basically looks like Eric Garner but the man in question just wanted to stay at the movie theater and watch zero dark thirty again.
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This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 12:00 pm
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:00 am to Hawkeye95
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They also added that having Down Syndrome made him more susceptible to death, but they did not explain how.
geeze louise
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:00 am to Hawkeye95
It really makes me wonder where they pull these GJ members from, because It seems like the majority of this board would vote to return a bill almost every time.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:11 am to Hawkeye95
What kind of training do these dopey fricking policemen receive? It needs an overhaul. And do GJ instructions now include the admonition that a cop is justified in doing whatever the frick he wants if a suspect resists in any way?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:17 am to Hawkeye95
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The killing happened when cops arrived to force Saylor to leave a movie theater after he wanted to see “Zero Dark Thirty” a second time.
Police justified their killing by explaining that Saylor verbally and physically resisted their attempts to remove him from the theater.
WTF...could they not see that this guy had downs:
That he was acting like a child wanting to see the movie a second time? How about calling his parents or caretakers? Why not approach the situation as if he were a child (but not like the cops in Cleveland - that ends horribly too)?
Something is broken in our police forces...they need to take a look at themselves and quit worrying about what some football players do before a game.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:23 am to Hawkeye95
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As with all grand juries, the proceedings were held in secrecy.
Of course. It gives the DA and the police who are in cahoots plausible deniability
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:52 am to Hawkeye95
This is the type of case we should be protesting over. This shite enrages me...pos cops.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:00 am to Hawkeye95
Is this shite real?
ETA: Nvm. Holy shite it is.
ETA: Nvm. Holy shite it is.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:18 am to Hawkeye95
More about the altercation here. The cops were off duty and not in uniform. It's very possible the kid didn't even know who they were. And oh yeah, he idolized law enforcement.
LINK
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“Ethan was developmentally disabled, not a criminal,” said Joseph Espo, a lawyer who spoke on behalf of Saylor’s parents, Patti and Ron Saylor. “He was entranced by police and police departments and liked communicating with them to the extent that, if there was ever a complaint, it was that he’d call so they could come to the house so he could talk to them.”
Saylor’s mother took cookies to the sheriff’s office at the end of last year to thank the deputies for all the unnecessary trips they made to the house, Espo said.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:23 am to Hawkeye95
Any bets on who will be the first cop defender to show up with excuses? I want to pick a dark horse, but I'm going with Dawgfan
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:47 am to Hawkeye95
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kill kid with down syndrome
Terrible situation and IMO there is no reason this person should have died in police custody.
One thing that keeps bothering me though is the constant use of "kid" when referring to these "victims".
This guy was 26 years old.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:08 pm to Hawkeye95
It's like they recruit cops out of the psycho ward .... this is a retarded kid they decided to bulldog .... not just psycho cops, but stupid too.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:22 pm to Hawkeye95
didn't a similar incident happen not too long ago with a down syndrome man? or maybe this is the same one I'm recalling from when the story hit.
eta: yes, this was the incident i was recalling from almost two years ago (I guess the movie title should've given that away). i remember being apoplectic then.
i don't know that i'm for some rash of indictments for every police f up, but something seems very OOC and something needs to be done. i don't even know that i'm for the GoPro solution, as i'm not really for a culture where everyone is surveilled all the time. And i have a feeling it would be abused and have unintended consequences somehow. but f me. something.
also, mistreatment/insensitivity of/toward people with disabilities is one of those hot-button topics for me--along with child and elderly issues-- that go beyond logic and basic sympathy. something clicks in my brain, and I want abusers to die slow and painful deaths. I know I'm not alone here, but it is extreme and a little scary. seeing this story again has f'ed up my day.
eta: yes, this was the incident i was recalling from almost two years ago (I guess the movie title should've given that away). i remember being apoplectic then.
i don't know that i'm for some rash of indictments for every police f up, but something seems very OOC and something needs to be done. i don't even know that i'm for the GoPro solution, as i'm not really for a culture where everyone is surveilled all the time. And i have a feeling it would be abused and have unintended consequences somehow. but f me. something.
also, mistreatment/insensitivity of/toward people with disabilities is one of those hot-button topics for me--along with child and elderly issues-- that go beyond logic and basic sympathy. something clicks in my brain, and I want abusers to die slow and painful deaths. I know I'm not alone here, but it is extreme and a little scary. seeing this story again has f'ed up my day.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:14 pm to Hawkeye95
I've told all my friends. I've told my family. I'm posting it here again.
If you have a friend or relative who has mental/psychological issues, do not call EMS or the police unless they are seriously in danger of causing extreme injury to themselves or others. Extreme.
When the police come, they may decide they need to kill them. And you can't fix that once it happens.
Note again: calling EMS is the same thing as calling the police. They will respond and kill people who simply need medical/psychological intervention.
If you have a friend or relative who has mental/psychological issues, do not call EMS or the police unless they are seriously in danger of causing extreme injury to themselves or others. Extreme.
When the police come, they may decide they need to kill them. And you can't fix that once it happens.
Note again: calling EMS is the same thing as calling the police. They will respond and kill people who simply need medical/psychological intervention.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:14 pm to Hawkeye95
Very sad, he had an "aide" who took him to the movie and was getting the car pulled up. If they had waited a couple of minutes she could have returned and gotten him to leave.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:59 pm to Hawkeye95
delete, posted in error.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:00 pm to Hawkeye95
fricking piece of shite cops...
Just forwarded to drudge, hopefully this one will make it to the page along with the Garner story.
Just forwarded to drudge, hopefully this one will make it to the page along with the Garner story.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:05 pm to Hawkeye95
The police appear to be taught that if someone does not do what you instruct them to do then make them do it. I can understand this sort of approach in some ways, especially with the police becoming more and more militarized.
I have done training with cops on how to deal with the mentally ill. The concept of de-escalating a situation is one that is hard for many cops (especially the younger ones) to learn. Every body seems to want to push a person harder to "comply" rather than giving a little time to allow things to settle down.
They are like the goofball tourist that talks louder to someone who doesn't speak English (except it is with force). WHAT I AM SAYING!!
I have done training with cops on how to deal with the mentally ill. The concept of de-escalating a situation is one that is hard for many cops (especially the younger ones) to learn. Every body seems to want to push a person harder to "comply" rather than giving a little time to allow things to settle down.
They are like the goofball tourist that talks louder to someone who doesn't speak English (except it is with force). WHAT I AM SAYING!!
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:57 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Really? That's what happened? The cops said "This guy won't leave, let's kill the dude!!"
Grand Jury Doesn't Indict Cops who kill man with down syndrome for refusing to leave a movie theater.
Or did some other stuff happen?
This narrative has gotten tired.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:32 pm to Hawkeye95
The militarization of the police forces and their subsequent attitudes and actions are the problems in all these cases (to differing degrees). It's not about race. It's about the police.
The race angle is great for the news outlets to make money, but it's a false diversion from what 'real conversations' that we need to have. It's about the police.
The race angle is great for the news outlets to make money, but it's a false diversion from what 'real conversations' that we need to have. It's about the police.
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