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re: EPA regs to kill nuclear power

Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:31 pm to
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:31 pm to
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Pigovian taxes are better because they don't pick winners, they just say "okay, carbon is now expensive, may the best green tech win."



How does the government determine what the tax should be?

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Direct action gets you Solyndra and regulatory capture. As seen here, where nuclear is now going to have to fight the favored techs of the right and the left with 94.2% of its arms tied behind its back.


The government's green energy loan program has actually posted a profit for taxpayers. Solyndra was a loser but enough of the loans did well enough we made money. Highlighting Solyndra is selection bias at its best. If you took Warren Buffet's worst investment and ignored everything else he's done he'd look like a moron, too. On the other hand take joe schmo who invests based on what he hear's from Jim Cramer, and his best investment might make him look like a genius.

This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:42 pm to
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The government's green energy loan program has actually posted a profit for taxpayers. Solyndra was a loser but enough of the loans did well enough we made money. Highlighting Solyndra is selection bias at its best. If you took Warren Buffet's worst investment and ignored everything else he's done he'd look like a moron, too. On the other hand take joe schmo who invests based on what he hear's from Jim Cramer, and his best investment might make him look like a genius.


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SpidermanTUba


please provide a link (that is not some left wing hack website) to back up your claims
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:00 pm to
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How does the government determine what the tax should be?


That is the problem with a cap and trade (aka cap and tax) system. The EU tried it and a recession hit and it was not politically feasible to raise the price of carbon credits as a result industry never slowed up and only had an 8% reduction in CO2 (and know are talking about scrapping it and adopting more of a US model) whereas the USA had a 12% reduction without it thanks to lower NG prices (both were hit by the recession) and other things (i.e hybrid tax credits, higher ethanol content, etc) that made cleaner energy cheaper. Australia in 2012 passed a tough cap and trade but it made energy prices sky rocket and the ppl screamed no mas after a year and it was repealed. So a workable cap and trade system has not been devised by anyone and I don't want the US being the guinea pig.
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Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:08 pm to
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How does the government determine what the tax should be?
The same way the government determines what the cap should be in cap-and-trade: they make a best estimate.

Both schemes are arbitrary to the extent that a carbon tax sets the price and lets the market seek the optimal level of emissions, while cap-and-trade sets the optimal level of emissions and lets the market seek the price.

But if there's one thing markets hate more than higher energy prices, it's higher and more volatile energy prices. Plus, most cap-and-trade schemes only address the electricity sector and that's a minority of emissions; you'll need ancillary taxes anyway to address transportation and manufacturing, so why not just combine them? And carbon taxes leave less room for special interests and grandfather clauses which make them toothless. A carbon tax bill can be written in a page or two. You need a whole new regulatory scheme for cap-and-trade, since you're trying to create a new market from scratch.
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