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re: What would North America be like today had the American Indians been left alone?
Posted on 11/28/14 at 11:55 am to rintintin
Posted on 11/28/14 at 11:55 am to rintintin
You do understand indigenous does not mean they lag behind pre-Columbian civilization (That means before 1492) don't you. And yes I remember exactly what I typed and stand behind it. The Mayans and Aztecs were lagging centuries behind Europe Asia and Africa up to and after interaction with Europeans. There is no reason to suggest they were suddenly going to catch up with the rest of the world. After all the rest of the world was printing books, watching fireworks, developing modern medicine, and exploring the world. The North Americans had yet to discover the wheel. Please do tell what you think was going to kick off this tech explosion in the new world.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:09 pm to cave canem
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You do understand indigenous does not mean they lag behind pre-Columbian civilization (That means before 1492) don't you.
I surely do understand that not all indigenous tribes lag behind them, but surely you understand that some indeed do.
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Please do tell what you think was going to kick off this tech explosion in the new world.
Don't mistake my thinking of them not being the least civilized society on Earth, as believing they would achieve what we see in the Western world today. There's surely a middle ground, and I think in 500 years they would have advanced quite a bit.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:16 pm to cave canem
In order to answer, we must pretend that Europe was not a contender.
The Spanish explorers looking for Gold; the English and Portugese looking for the NW Pasage and also what is now Capetown; you eliminate these and I believe that Asia and the natives would have discovered one another and had a r'ship very similar to 17th/18th century French-Canadian Mohawks. Of course, France sent expeditions as well, but up until Napoleon, the country was basically a lost cause (losing war in Europe and colonies). North America, even without the French, would have been "conquered" somehow, but maybe not so violently? Also, diseases would have to totally be out of this picture.
I guess, in other words, take out the Scandinavian/Germanic cultures and the Spanish and the entire world would be different -- the natives, Aztecs, Incas, etc. in the 16th century would have all survived. I like to think that the Chinese would have sent explorers to the Americas (again, pretending much of Europe pretty much didn't exist) and struck a very business-like and culture-friendly bit of mutuality. I wonder how Chinese-Native chicks would have looked like?
This is actually a great question. A lot left on the table and who knows how technology would have gone?
The Spanish explorers looking for Gold; the English and Portugese looking for the NW Pasage and also what is now Capetown; you eliminate these and I believe that Asia and the natives would have discovered one another and had a r'ship very similar to 17th/18th century French-Canadian Mohawks. Of course, France sent expeditions as well, but up until Napoleon, the country was basically a lost cause (losing war in Europe and colonies). North America, even without the French, would have been "conquered" somehow, but maybe not so violently? Also, diseases would have to totally be out of this picture.
I guess, in other words, take out the Scandinavian/Germanic cultures and the Spanish and the entire world would be different -- the natives, Aztecs, Incas, etc. in the 16th century would have all survived. I like to think that the Chinese would have sent explorers to the Americas (again, pretending much of Europe pretty much didn't exist) and struck a very business-like and culture-friendly bit of mutuality. I wonder how Chinese-Native chicks would have looked like?
This is actually a great question. A lot left on the table and who knows how technology would have gone?
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