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So we need an athletic QB to run this offense?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 6:52 pm
This is not a bash so I'd appreciate some honest discussion.
Can someone explain how we need an "athletic" qb to run our offense? Last year with Mett the offense operated the best it has in over a decade, but certainly not because of qb runs or short-side options. We had a 3,000 yd qb, 2 - 1,000 yd receivers and a bevy of RB's that racked up 2,600 yds with one rb over 1,400+ yards.
Now we have not one, but two, "dual-threat" type qb's and I don't see an offense that looks like it requires an athletic qb.... we don't operate a spread, the read-option, or even the dreaded short-side option. So, was the offense we ran last year the real offense? And if not, why do you need an athletic qb to operate out of the power-I formation when a true drop back passer we had last year executed the offense to near perfection.
What is the allure, or even need, of an athletic qb in this offense?
Can someone explain how we need an "athletic" qb to run our offense? Last year with Mett the offense operated the best it has in over a decade, but certainly not because of qb runs or short-side options. We had a 3,000 yd qb, 2 - 1,000 yd receivers and a bevy of RB's that racked up 2,600 yds with one rb over 1,400+ yards.
Now we have not one, but two, "dual-threat" type qb's and I don't see an offense that looks like it requires an athletic qb.... we don't operate a spread, the read-option, or even the dreaded short-side option. So, was the offense we ran last year the real offense? And if not, why do you need an athletic qb to operate out of the power-I formation when a true drop back passer we had last year executed the offense to near perfection.
What is the allure, or even need, of an athletic qb in this offense?
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 6:55 pm to mytigger
First off we need Miles and the OC to figure out who is "really" gonna call the plays. After that, it should all fall into place.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 6:55 pm to mytigger
Mettenberger was successful because of his experience and maturity. Athletic quarterbacks add an extra element to an offense and create coverage problems for defenses.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 7:06 pm to mytigger
Looking a BH highlight videos, I don't know what he has done to not be getting more playing time.
Something has wedged Les and Bradon apart. If anybody knows please speak.
Something has wedged Les and Bradon apart. If anybody knows please speak.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 7:15 pm to mytigger
The real answer is simple; we don't need an athletic qb. We need an accurate qb who knows how to put the right touch on the ball. In addition we need one who is a born leader who can make good decisions.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 7:22 pm to mytigger
Posted on 11/25/14 at 8:05 pm to mytigger
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Can someone explain how we need an "athletic" qb to run our offense? Last year with Mett the offense operated the best it has in over a decade, but certainly not because of qb runs or short-side options. We had a 3,000 yd qb, 2 - 1,000 yd receivers and a bevy of RB's that racked up 2,600 yds with one rb over 1,400+ yards.
I'd say it was the best offense in LSU history tbh
Posted on 11/25/14 at 8:45 pm to mytigger
we need an offense to run an offense. a play-caller that knows what he wants to do and how to go about doing it, and a head coach who oversees the operation and does what needs to be done rather than focusing on enhancing his zany ego
Posted on 11/25/14 at 8:49 pm to mytigger
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Now we have not one, but two, "dual-threat" type qb's and I don't see an offense that looks like it requires an athletic qb.... we don't operate a spread, the read-option, or even the dreaded short-side option.
We do run read option.
We just don't run a read option based offense like Auburn.
I think we are changing the offense to suit the QBs we have, but since they both started the season off so well have have just decided to run the Capital One bowl "We are just gonna run and hope these fools can't stop us" offense.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 8:54 pm to mytigger
All u have to do is look at the top 4
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:01 pm to mytigger
No one can explain LSUs troubles with finding QBs
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:48 pm to mytigger
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What is the allure, or even need, of an athletic qb in this offense?
The allure is when the OL has a shitastic showing (ex. first half of the season, Arkansas) that the QB can escape the pocket and still make passes or burn the defense with his legs. We were dead in the water when Mett's OL gave up (ex. final drive against UGA, 4th quarter against Bama).
Another example is Christian Hackenberg. great OL last year with a 5 star non athletic true freshman QB behind it. He completed 59% of his passes for 2955 yards on 392 attempts, with 20 TDs and 10 ints (Allen Robinson was a BIG part of that too). Now that OL has a bunch of youth and his numbers, 389 attempts 55.3% 2411 yards 8 TDs 14 ints, reflect that. He has been tossed around like a rag doll this year.
Another example is Tennessee. Justin Worley behind a slew of freshman and sophomore OL, made the offense very stagnant and stale. With him, they averaged 231 through the air, and 94 yards on the ground. Since he was hurt and the decided to go with the 3rd string dual threat, they have averaged 256 yards through the air, and 197 yards on the ground.
In conclusion, this offense doesn't actually, NEED an athletic QB, but we would fare better when the OL breaks down (like it does several times a year do to injury, giving up, youth or wrong personnel). A good athletic QB also makes the run game even more dangerous.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:58 pm to mytigger
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What is the allure, or even need, of an athletic qb in this offense?
according to the California kid that transferrd to Rutgers (h rettig) cam Cameron is the one that insists on having a running qb.what's weird to me is that there aren't many running qb's in the pro's and he did a great job with met. I am really becoming disillusioned with Cameron. even tho we put up some damn good numbers last year, our offense still depended on a qb with a rocket arm and 2 exceptional wide outs. without those elements, his offense stinks. and those elements don't come around very often.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:10 am to mytigger
I agree with the OP 100%! If you take in to consideration which QBs have actually been successful under cam Cameron, that would be mett and flacco. Both are pro style QBs. Not dual threat like the 2 we have now. I am a fan of harris and have been wanting him to start. While I think he is the more talented of the 2 and will end up being the better QB I am still concerned at how successful he will be in our type of offense.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:13 am to mytigger
This thread again.
Harris was considered to have a great arm, and he's shown us glimpses of that in his playing time.
Why wouldn't you want a dual threat QB over just a pocket passer? If both can throw, go with the mobile one
Lets just leave out the Hall of Fame QB he developed who was extremely mobile at the time and was developed into a pocket passer who can avoid pressure better than anyone in the NFL
Why can't he succeed in a pro style offense?
Harris was considered to have a great arm, and he's shown us glimpses of that in his playing time.
Why wouldn't you want a dual threat QB over just a pocket passer? If both can throw, go with the mobile one
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If you take in to consideration which QBs have actually been successful under cam Cameron, that would be mett and flacco
Lets just leave out the Hall of Fame QB he developed who was extremely mobile at the time and was developed into a pocket passer who can avoid pressure better than anyone in the NFL
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While I think he is the more talented of the 2 and will end up being the better QB I am still concerned at how successful he will be in our type of offense.
Why can't he succeed in a pro style offense?
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 7:21 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:10 am to mytigger
quote:Sounds like a great idea.
This is not a bash so I'd appreciate some honest discussion.
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Last year with Mett the offense operated the best it has in over a decade, but certainly not because of qb runs or short-side options.
quote:Oh . . . you don't really want an honest discussion. You just want to bash.
I don't see an offense that looks like it requires an athletic qb.... we don't operate a spread, the read-option, or even the dreaded short-side option.
You do know that the short-side option put LSU into position to win the GOTC?
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