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re: Air Pollution in Los Angeles-1983 vs. Now-and how regulation isn't always bad

Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
34711 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:15 pm to
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The overwhelming majority of Americans would agree with this.


Probably. Just not the overwhelming majority of "small government conservatives" and/or "libertarians" on this board.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
126479 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:23 pm to
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So now we've conceded the philosophical point...everything else is just a debate over degree, correct?
There is always a limit to resources available for the task. That's why the Carbon-footprint BS is damaging. It saps environmental resources from other more valuable activities
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
114041 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:41 pm to
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Now the 13 million people in the LA metro area can live there with good air, without having to move somewhere else.


And no water. Yep. Worked out great.

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Since they are polar opposites to libertarians, there should be tons and tons of regulation. So what has the Chinese government done to help the air quality?


Well, forced abortion comes to mind. The Chinese are totalitarians. They don't mail me a list of restrictions they impose on the populace. But if you think Chinese pollution is due to their commitment to individual liberty then feel free to make yourself look like an idiot.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
268678 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:43 pm to
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Probably. Just not the overwhelming majority of "small government conservatives"


Sure there is. I'm convinced the left has absolutely no idea what the other side of the aisle believes.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:12 pm to
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feel free to make yourself look like an idiot


You do a pretty damn good job of looking like an idiot on a daily basis.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
114041 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:14 pm to
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You do a pretty damn good job of looking like an idiot on a daily basis.


And this is your idea of a rebuttal? How very sad for you. But have a nice day.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:16 pm to
What you say makes absolutely no sense, and you sound delusional.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
114041 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:28 pm to
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What you say makes absolutely no sense, and you sound delusional.


OK, if you don't understand what I'm saying here is a pic of a puppy you can fixate on until the nurse comes.

Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9197 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:09 pm to
Even the most ardent conservative global warming "denier" is all for eliminating pollution and is thankful that the air is far cleaner now than in the 50s and 60s.

Pollution is a very tangible thing that can be easily measured and curbed through relatively painless measures. FAR FAR different than global warming.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:17 pm to
Everyone in this thread, including some of the more conservative posters, agree that at least some regulation is good-it's not in a company's best interest to mind the environment on its own doing when there is no repercussion.

Everyone, that is, except for Zach. In his utopian society, industry can produce as much pollution as they want. It doesn't matter if that new plant built close to your house is polluting the air. They own the land, and are more efficient without environmental regulations. If you don't like that, then tough shite, pack up and move somewhere else, even though you were there first.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 7:20 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
85652 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:21 pm to
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Just thought you guys might find this interesting-I know everyone hates the EPA here, but regulation can be a good thing too.


I'm sure the free market would have solved that problem
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