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re: Do you have a problem w/ a bank having a no gun policy?

Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:42 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:42 pm to
i feel like bapple knows he's wrong but won't change his mind.
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:35 pm to
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Once you get over the whole "but the bad guys win" thing.


It's not a petty competition if people's lives are involved. There are unlimited stories of career criminals and repeat offenders committing crimes. I don't think I am off base in the slightest.

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The money is insured, nobody gets hurt. Is even one life worth starting potentially deadly altercations just to deter criminals from committing nonviolent crimes? That's a question each may have a different answer for. Mine is no.


I agree with the first part but the "just one life" thing is a straw man fallacy. It's the oldest trick in the book because it does not take into account the bigger picture of how many lives it COSTS. Granted, bank robberies don't seem to be violent very often, but the only thing that prevents it from becoming violent is the criminal's own decision to not escalate it to that point. People put way too much faith in criminals. "Just give them what they want" doesn't always work, even though in the bank situation it at least makes a little more sense.

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Robbery has been around longer than mankind has been around. What exactly is the purpose here?


Violence has also been around since the existence of time. I don't know what point you're trying to convey with this statement. Robbery is still a violent offense since the threat of bodily harm is present. Time has nothing to do with it.

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i feel like bapple knows he's wrong but won't change his mind.




I already stated my opinion. A distinction in my mind needs to be made of whether or not the armed carrier is a customer or an employee and which group the policy entails.

If it's an employee, the company can create whatever policies it wants that the employee is required to follow.

If it's a customer, it shouldn't matter if he/she is armed just like any other gun free zone. If you prohibit someone's own personal self defense tool with a piece of paper (aka a law) this does not PHYSICALLY prevent a criminal from coming in armed. And like I said, this is a very realistic, logical argument when talking about any gun free zone. If they check everyone at the store and guarantee my safety, it's different. But unless that happens, there is nothing physically stopping it from happening.

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civiltiger07


This guy gets it. I hope I would be able to assess any situation on an individual basis as a concealed carrier. We only get split seconds to choose a course of action if ever faced with this so I hope I make the right decision if confronted with any hypothetical scenario. Getting the F out is ALWAYS option 1.

I think a lot of this discussion is moot since bank robberies are so much less common now. With electronic currency being the dominant form, I imagine bank robberies are down significantly.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:36 am to
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i feel like bapple knows he's wrong but won't change his mind.


What so many of you are forgetting is that this is about the principle of the matter. If you dont feel it's right to be able to CC inside of a bank, then where is it appropriate to CC at? The reasoning that many of you are stating, not promoting provocation to said robber, can be applied to nearly any scenario in a public setting. How is a bank different from a convenience store? How is a bank different from Tiger Stadium? You cannot in one breath say "the more guns in the room, the higher the risk of a shooting spree occuring" and in another, "I CC because I want to protect myself and more importantly my family in the event that we come face to face with a piece of shite intending to do harm." It's highly contradictory.
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