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re: BAMA vs. Adams
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:34 am to TigerBandMan
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:34 am to TigerBandMan
quote:
How many times did Adams draw flags for us with his "King James" flops in key drives?
What part of this issue is so damn hard for some of you to grasp?
The issue is not with Vadal Alexander or the guy who pulled his leg and then flopped when rightfully shoved. It's not even with the official who threw the flag, because giving him the benefit of the doubt he may very well have only seen Alexander's shove because from his angle he could not have seen him being pulled.
Nope...the issue is that once the flag was thrown and the officials came together for about 45 seconds as Jennings stood near them pleading the case, at no point did any other official on the field step up and suggest that considering they had allowed 5-7 seconds of pushing and shoving by both teams PRIOR to Vadal's shove that MAYBE they either wave that or call it offsetting. The fact that none of them seemed to see any of the stuff that preceded the Alexander shove (or did but did not bother to speak up) is what's troubling.
Had the only shove that took place been Vadal's and this guy would have both baited him and then flopped, we'd have an analogous situation to Jamal Adams this year. That's just not remotely what happened.
In fact...I'm sick of trying to explain this. Does anyone have a full clip of that entire play? Not just the gif of Vadal's shove, but from start to finish so we can see exactly what happened prior to that?
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:37 am to GeauxTigerTM
On that specific play there wasn't much shoving. All game long there was lots of it though. The guy grabbed his leg and was pulling on it and he pushed him off. Should have been off setting.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
You cant have it both ways. Happy when Adams does it and pissed when the other team does.
I thought when admas did it that is was lame.
I thought when admas did it that is was lame.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:35 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I actually thought they were doing this since their discussion took so long. I was surprised when he called the LSU penalty and that was that.
or call it offsetting.
quote:I agree with you. Also puzzling is two penalties (different plays) called vs Bama, Saban goes ballistic on the ref, both flags get waived off. Don't think I've ever seen that before.
GeauxTigerTM
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:48 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
the issue is that once the flag was thrown and the officials came together for about 45 seconds as Jennings stood near them pleading the case, at no point did any other official on the field step up and suggest that considering they had allowed 5-7 seconds of pushing and shoving by both teams PRIOR to Vadal's shove that MAYBE they either wave that or call it offsetting.
I've been citing the Jamal flops , but you make a very good point about this.
I still think the game plays out exactly the same. We run it between the tackles two more times for zero yards, then kick a field goal.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:52 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
The issue is not with Vadal Alexander or the guy who pulled his leg and then flopped when rightfully shoved. It's not even with the official who threw the flag, because giving him the benefit of the doubt he may very well have only seen Alexander's shove because from his angle he could not have seen him being pulled. Nope...the issue is that once the flag was thrown and the officials came together for about 45 seconds as Jennings stood near them pleading the case, at no point did any other official on the field step up and suggest that considering they had allowed 5-7 seconds of pushing and shoving by both teams PRIOR to Vadal's shove that MAYBE they either wave that or call it offsetting. The fact that none of them seemed to see any of the stuff that preceded the Alexander shove (or did but did not bother to speak up) is what's troubling.
im sure ill get insta banned, but you guys are forgetting one thing. there was lots of mutual shoving, but alexander is the only one shoving anybody after the whistle. it was another example of the refs letting the piles go on to long, but all the shoving was still technically during the play. Alexander shoves well after the play, and even if the ref saw 86 tugging gently on his leg, that is not enough provocation to justify the late shove and subsquent kneeing of ivory in the head. 86 is just doing what happens in almost every pileup, trying to free his teammate that is trapped underneath alexander (who is not moving off like he should). What alexander did gets called 100% of the time pretty much. The refs were wrong, but only in continuing to let the piles go so long.
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