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DOE tells Princeton "Clear and Convincing" Is Too High of a Burden

Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:55 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:55 pm
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Princeton had been one of the last hold-outs on the standard of proof in college rape trials. The university required adjudicators to obtain "clear and convincing" proof that a student was guilty of sexual assault before convicting him. That's too tough, said DOE. As part of its settlement, Princeton is required to lower its evidence standard to "a preponderance of the evidence," which means adjudicators must convict if they are 50.1 percent persuaded by the accuser.


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On the other side, Laura Dunn, executive director of victims' advocacy center SurvJustice, hilariously told InsideHigherEd that "ingrained male privilege" was the only reason for using a lower evidence standard. Thankfully, the federal government is beating that tendency out of colleges, she said:


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Unfortunately, no legal authority will ever have the chance to examine DOE's very due-process-unfriendly interpretation of the law, because colleges are either too afraid of standing up to the feds, or have an ever-weakening commitment to civil libertarian values. Or both.


Obama administration you scary
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 3:30 am
Posted by reverendotis
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:00 pm to
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college rape trials


If you are convicted of college rape, do you go to college jail?

Follow up question - are there also college murder trials?
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:01 pm to
preponderance of evidence basically means you have to have proof it wasn't rape.

An accusation is probably enough.

damn that shits wack.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:08 pm to
War on men
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:10 pm to
Wouldn't your thread title be more accurate by saying the DOE says clear and convincing is too high?
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:12 pm to
What are the consequences of conviction? If this is not a criminal "trial" and more civil, isn't POE the correct standard? Again, I guess it depends on the consequences.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:20 pm to
Is the DOE really run by SJW's?


Why do colleges think they have a justification for having a lowered standard of proof that a court of law does not for a serious crime like rape?
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:54 pm to
Coming soon to a criminal court near you.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:42 am to
This is dangerous

And scary.
Posted by runningTiger
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:57 am to
One should always get signed consent before having sex
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:52 am to
This is fricking ridiculous. They are demanding colleges and universities violate any sort of due process rights for these accused.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 7:57 am
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