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re: Thoughts on the 2015 Ford Charger...err Mustang??
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:51 pm to Redbone
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:51 pm to Redbone
You said this:
This just isn't true. You can cut up what I said all you want...but what you said isn't true.
There is not only ONE aerodynamic shape (please show me what it is, if I'm wrong). All cars do NOT have to stay close to that shape provided the mechanics of the car can make up for the design to meet CAFE. Designers have always been constrained irregardless of CAFE. All cars DO NOT look like some other car (though you phrased it in a very "catch all" manner, likely so you couldn't "lose" any rebuttles) - my mom's Jaguar XF doesn't look like a Ford Fusion.
ETA: Maybe you need to elaborate on what you mean by "look the same"...bc I think that is where our differences lie.
I wasn't rolling eyes at the part about Motor Trend being a bottom tier publication (which I don't think it is, anyway), but good job making assumptions.
I was rolling eyes bc the guy I responded to is know-it-all in any car thread. The people at Motor Trend do it for a living, I'm sure they know what they're talking about. Regarding the article I referenced, it was a 1LE vs a GT, the 1LE is a pricier package and is more handling oriented, so it's not really a surprise MT liked it better vs. the Mustang.
quote:
Only one shape is the most aerodynamic. All cars must stay close to this shape due to CAFE standards. There is only so much the designers can do within these constraints. All cars look like some other car in one way or another.
This just isn't true. You can cut up what I said all you want...but what you said isn't true.
There is not only ONE aerodynamic shape (please show me what it is, if I'm wrong). All cars do NOT have to stay close to that shape provided the mechanics of the car can make up for the design to meet CAFE. Designers have always been constrained irregardless of CAFE. All cars DO NOT look like some other car (though you phrased it in a very "catch all" manner, likely so you couldn't "lose" any rebuttles) - my mom's Jaguar XF doesn't look like a Ford Fusion.
ETA: Maybe you need to elaborate on what you mean by "look the same"...bc I think that is where our differences lie.
quote:
This entry that you ed to is 100% correct. Motor Trend has always been this way.
I wasn't rolling eyes at the part about Motor Trend being a bottom tier publication (which I don't think it is, anyway), but good job making assumptions.
I was rolling eyes bc the guy I responded to is know-it-all in any car thread. The people at Motor Trend do it for a living, I'm sure they know what they're talking about. Regarding the article I referenced, it was a 1LE vs a GT, the 1LE is a pricier package and is more handling oriented, so it's not really a surprise MT liked it better vs. the Mustang.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 5:56 pm
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:24 pm to jordan21210
You must be very young.
But it is. Swallow your pride because mommy's car is just a few design cues away from the Fusion. Now I see where you are coming from. Not much experience and using open ended observations and predictions. Of course the cookie cutter shape of today is the opinion of older people. Younger people never knew anything but styling cue differences. Drastic differences to you is same-old, same-old to me.
You say
is simply not true. Did you say "always"? CAFE hasn't "always" been either. Designers were only constrained by the people they worked for.
And now I see why you would say
since they will always chose mommy's Jag over any American made car. I don't like them because they didn't like my first car, a '65 intermediate with a big block, or my second car a '66 intermediate with a big block, my '70 Challenger and the list goes on. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate the more recent 1000 h.p. car we built, our first 650 h.p. 2k lb. Cobra kit car or the one we are building right now. In fact they would under rate nearly every car I have owned. Their reported numbers usually differ from our experience as well as the numbers reported by other top tier rags. Bottom tier or top tier is not relevant. What is relevant is factual information which is where they drop the ball.
HEY, wanna come over and help me clean up the T bucket for tomorrow's veterans day parade? I'll take you for a ride. It ain't no Jag but a blown small block on a 1600 lb. car will entertain you for a few seconds.
quote:
This just isn't true.
But it is. Swallow your pride because mommy's car is just a few design cues away from the Fusion. Now I see where you are coming from. Not much experience and using open ended observations and predictions. Of course the cookie cutter shape of today is the opinion of older people. Younger people never knew anything but styling cue differences. Drastic differences to you is same-old, same-old to me.
You say
quote:
Designers have always been constrained irregardless of CAFE.
is simply not true. Did you say "always"? CAFE hasn't "always" been either. Designers were only constrained by the people they worked for.
And now I see why you would say
quote:
.. about Motor Trend being a bottom tier publication (which I don't think it is, anyway),
since they will always chose mommy's Jag over any American made car. I don't like them because they didn't like my first car, a '65 intermediate with a big block, or my second car a '66 intermediate with a big block, my '70 Challenger and the list goes on. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate the more recent 1000 h.p. car we built, our first 650 h.p. 2k lb. Cobra kit car or the one we are building right now. In fact they would under rate nearly every car I have owned. Their reported numbers usually differ from our experience as well as the numbers reported by other top tier rags. Bottom tier or top tier is not relevant. What is relevant is factual information which is where they drop the ball.
HEY, wanna come over and help me clean up the T bucket for tomorrow's veterans day parade? I'll take you for a ride. It ain't no Jag but a blown small block on a 1600 lb. car will entertain you for a few seconds.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 9:26 pm to jordan21210
1959 Buick randomly chosen when referenced in my first post.
1972 randomly selected aerodynamic cookie cutter car.
2014 Ford Fusion your referenced over 40 years of body shape development after the Pinto design.
2014 Jag XF that you claim "my mom's Jaguar XF doesn't look like a Ford Fusion."
For reference I said
Those pics are my proof of my post and using your own referenced cars in the last 2 pictures. It may come down to opinion but mine is the differences between the Buick and the Fusion is slightly more noticeable than the differences between the Ford and the Jag. Secondly, If I'm not paying close attention I wouldn't notice the Jag as standing out in a parking lot from the Fusion ... or a Nissan Altima.
:/pissinmatch:
1972 randomly selected aerodynamic cookie cutter car.
2014 Ford Fusion your referenced over 40 years of body shape development after the Pinto design.
2014 Jag XF that you claim "my mom's Jaguar XF doesn't look like a Ford Fusion."
For reference I said
quote:
Only one shape is the most aerodynamic. All cars must stay close to this shape due to CAFE standards. There is only so much the designers can do within these constraints. All cars look like some other car in one way or another. Get over it or go find yourself a 1959 Buick
Those pics are my proof of my post and using your own referenced cars in the last 2 pictures. It may come down to opinion but mine is the differences between the Buick and the Fusion is slightly more noticeable than the differences between the Ford and the Jag. Secondly, If I'm not paying close attention I wouldn't notice the Jag as standing out in a parking lot from the Fusion ... or a Nissan Altima.
:/pissinmatch:
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 10:54 pm
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