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re: Thoughts on the 2015 Ford Charger...err Mustang??

Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:26 pm to
Posted by Redbone
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:26 pm to
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Think about what you posted.

Back atcha. You said
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...but you're insinuating that all cars will look the same in the future.

I "insinuated" nothing. Don't add to what I say. I said
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Only one shape is the most aerodynamic.

Given a requirement for the size of the model (seating, cu. ft. needed to carry shite, etc.) there are is a minimal amount of leeway in the design to achieve the lowest drag. This improves mpg to help CAFE numbers. Therefore
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Parts of that may be true...
Seriously!!
What I am saying is
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All cars must stay close to this shape due to CAFE standards.

That is not in the future. That is right now and has been so for a very long time. Having come from an era where '59 Buicks were common, I see almost every car on the road today looks like just a minor few design cues from any other.
You bring up the Challenger(I owned a new 1970). Chrysler has stepped out of that cookie cutter cutter look farther than Camaro by designing the Charger and Challenger. I never addressed them because Chrysler is able to make up the difference in other cars in there lineup. It is a corp. average. Therefore
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There is only so much the designers can do within these constraints.

still rings true.
Trucks and SUVs are a drag on the increasingly tightening averages.
Also I said
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All cars look like some other car in one way or another.

I suppose you addressed this with
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Challenger for 2015 and retained it's brick aerodynamics...and full size trucks are still a thing.

To this I point out that I did not mention trucks. Please don't add to my post.
The next part to discuss is
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but all cars aren't going to look the same...that's bogus

This is more than insinuating. This is predicting. You killed this part of your sentence before you started it with
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I'm sure there is a certain design standard to be met for all cars going forward,

Hell yes, there is. It's called CAFE and those requirements are scheduled to go up from the current 27.5 (23.5 truck) to 37.8 (27.8 truck) in 2016 and 54.5 mpg by 2025. Only so much can be done with mechanical advances and hybrids. Are you telling me that cars that look the same today won't look like each other in the future? Are you promising the Challengers won't fall to these standards? How far into the future are you thinking? And will trucks that you bring up not be a "thing"?

One more thing.
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I don't need to. Quite a few independent drivers out there that are much more competent than those at Motor Trend and they know how to wring the real potential out of cars. Same thing with every Camaro and Mustang test, Motor Trend is always close to the bottom.

This entry that you ed to is 100% correct. Motor Trend has always been this way.


Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:51 pm to
You said this:
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Only one shape is the most aerodynamic. All cars must stay close to this shape due to CAFE standards. There is only so much the designers can do within these constraints. All cars look like some other car in one way or another.


This just isn't true. You can cut up what I said all you want...but what you said isn't true.

There is not only ONE aerodynamic shape (please show me what it is, if I'm wrong). All cars do NOT have to stay close to that shape provided the mechanics of the car can make up for the design to meet CAFE. Designers have always been constrained irregardless of CAFE. All cars DO NOT look like some other car (though you phrased it in a very "catch all" manner, likely so you couldn't "lose" any rebuttles) - my mom's Jaguar XF doesn't look like a Ford Fusion.

ETA: Maybe you need to elaborate on what you mean by "look the same"...bc I think that is where our differences lie.

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This entry that you ed to is 100% correct. Motor Trend has always been this way.


I wasn't rolling eyes at the part about Motor Trend being a bottom tier publication (which I don't think it is, anyway), but good job making assumptions.

I was rolling eyes bc the guy I responded to is know-it-all in any car thread. The people at Motor Trend do it for a living, I'm sure they know what they're talking about. Regarding the article I referenced, it was a 1LE vs a GT, the 1LE is a pricier package and is more handling oriented, so it's not really a surprise MT liked it better vs. the Mustang.

This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 5:56 pm
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