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re: Women want equal pay? Stop babysitting
Posted on 10/18/14 at 8:55 am to jose canseco
Posted on 10/18/14 at 8:55 am to jose canseco
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Would you let the Spanish speaking immigrant watch your child when you were away?
you hire a russian one
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Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:00 am to jose canseco
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Would you let the Spanish speaking immigrant watch your child when you were away? Would you let him cut your grass?
No. Yes. Which is kind of the point. It does't mirror the real world. Those same Spanish speaking immigrants might be out on a rig making 100k a year while the girl is in for a surprise that this baby sitting market where people overpay for security and trust doesn't have a real world equivalent.
I think the OP only said to stop overpaying the babysitters tongue in cheek. The point isn't that they are getting paid too much(like you said, they aren't.) It's that it might lead them in to a false sense of their marketability in other endeavors. There are very few markets in the world that place trusting someone around children over capability in completing tasks. The ones that do(teachers, nannys) are low-paying.
Again, I think the OT's point is a negligible factor. Women bitch about getting less pay because they get less pay and they want more. It doesn't really matter if they actually believe they deserve it or not. I'm just saying his point makes sense.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:03 am to snake23
You need some vagina
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:04 am to snake23
I think the real reason for the pay difference is 3 fold:
1. women work fewer hours on average then men. They simply take more time off.
2. There are fewer women applicants in many high-paying fields (Construction, Engineering, IT, oil & gas, trades, ect)
3. Women lose time at a job and work experience while having kids. This puts them behind their male co-workers who don't have to (nor have the option to) take that time off to have children.
This leads to a "pay gap", when in reality, when working the same job and the same number of hours, women are generally paid the same or MORE.
1. women work fewer hours on average then men. They simply take more time off.
2. There are fewer women applicants in many high-paying fields (Construction, Engineering, IT, oil & gas, trades, ect)
3. Women lose time at a job and work experience while having kids. This puts them behind their male co-workers who don't have to (nor have the option to) take that time off to have children.
This leads to a "pay gap", when in reality, when working the same job and the same number of hours, women are generally paid the same or MORE.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:05 am to kingbob
I always am so disappointed to hear my friends talking about this, and actually believing it. If you can pay women 30% less or whatever, why not ONLY hire women?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:07 am to snake23
I light my farts on fire every Saturday morning
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:37 am to snake23
OP is wrong. Women get paid just as much as men - for doing the same jobs. The equal pay argument is smoke and mirrors. It assumes that women are doing the same jobs across the board, and anyone from LA knows different.
I know 19-year-old men who make $60k+ working on oil rigs. Their non-college educated female counterparts are working cash registers at retail outlets for hourly wages. Women college graduates are going to work in entry level office jobs for a bit more, just like their male counterparts. By that time, the 25 year old male doing the hazardous oilfield job is making 80k, 100k or possibly more.
If women want the same pay, they need to do the same jobs, but you don't just show up to the rig floor with safety knowledge expecting to do just as well as a man. Not only is it dangerous, but it's physically demanding, and many women are simply, physically incapable of doing it. I don't care how hyped up they are from watching Katniss kill dudes in The Hunger Games. They cannot lift the weight.
I know 19-year-old men who make $60k+ working on oil rigs. Their non-college educated female counterparts are working cash registers at retail outlets for hourly wages. Women college graduates are going to work in entry level office jobs for a bit more, just like their male counterparts. By that time, the 25 year old male doing the hazardous oilfield job is making 80k, 100k or possibly more.
If women want the same pay, they need to do the same jobs, but you don't just show up to the rig floor with safety knowledge expecting to do just as well as a man. Not only is it dangerous, but it's physically demanding, and many women are simply, physically incapable of doing it. I don't care how hyped up they are from watching Katniss kill dudes in The Hunger Games. They cannot lift the weight.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:40 am to UL-SabanRival
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By that time, the 25 year old male doing the hazardous oilfield job is making 80k, 100k or possibly more.
I'm male, have a college degree, and don't make that.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:41 am to Bestbank Tiger
How old are you
Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:54 am to jimbeam
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How old are you
39
Of course, I also live in an area with a very low cost of living. I wouldn't even know how to spend $80K.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:00 am to Bestbank Tiger
Me either. And I have friends making that straight out of college 
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:02 am to snake23
$20.00/hour to babysit?!?! I want in!
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:03 am to LT
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$20.00/hour to babysit?!?! I want in!
Yep
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:06 am to kingbob
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I think the real reason for the pay difference is 3 fold:
1. women work fewer hours on average then men. They simply take more time off.
2. There are fewer women applicants in many high-paying fields (Construction, Engineering, IT, oil & gas, trades, ect)
3. Women lose time at a job and work experience while having kids. This puts them behind their male co-workers who don't have to (nor have the option to) take that time off to have children.
This leads to a "pay gap", when in reality, when working the same job and the same number of hours, women are generally paid the same or MORE.
agree with this, in my experience women don't want to work, they want the prestige of the title of the job, but they don't want to put in the sweat equity to get there, they always want short cuts, when they finally get there, they do everything they can to minimize time at the work place, start squirting out babies, and usually "retire" early, my ex-sil was a ME undergrad, got a real nice internship at a huge engineering firm, they liked her, paid for her to stay in school and get a masters, then hired her, she got pregnant, quit, and hasn't worked a day since(over 20 years,) I'm sure there more than a few other stories like this
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:08 am to kingbob
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I think the real reason for the pay difference is 3 fold:
These are the reasons, but I am just going to play devil's advocate here for a sec.
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1. women work fewer hours on average then men. They simply take more time off.
Because many are still expected to take care of kids and do housework, despite working similar hours to their husband/SO.
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2. There are fewer women applicants in many high-paying fields (Construction, Engineering, IT, oil & gas, trades, ect)
Because we discourage girls from entering STEM fields almost from the time they are born.
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3. Women lose time at a job and work experience while having kids.
This is the one sticking point.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:12 am to TxTiger82
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Because we discourage girls from entering STEM fields almost from the time they are born.
completely disagree, are you still watching "Father Knows Best" or something
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:15 am to Bestbank Tiger
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I'm male, have a college degree, and don't make that.
Re-read what I wrote. It depends on what job you have, and women tend not to do those jobs. In many cases, they are physically incapable of doing those jobs.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:16 am to 777Tiger
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agree with this, in my experience women don't want to work, they want the prestige of the title of the job, but they don't want to put in the sweat equity to get there, they always want short cuts, when they finally get there, they do everything they can to minimize time at the work place
Not counting entry level jobs, my experience has been the opposite. The employees who are lazy and try to get over with minimal effort are usually male.
Single moms are more likely to arrive late or need time off but it's usually for a legitimate reason (family obligations). If you get paid hourly that shows up in your paycheck and creates a pay gap--even if you do more in 35 hours than someone else does in 40.
Different employers will respond to that in different ways. If you have a small to mid size business where the owner knows everyone they'll be more willing to work with you in terms of a flexible schedule. But it also gives you less leverage when you want a pay raise.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:21 am to UL-SabanRival
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Re-read what I wrote. It depends on what job you have, and women tend not to do those jobs. In many cases, they are physically incapable of doing those jobs.
This is tangential to the conversation. So there are things women can't do. Granted. But we're talking about how much they get paid for the same work that men do. So the oil rig jobs are not really part of the debate at all.
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