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LSU has trailed in the 4th qtr 37% of the time total & 63% against quality opps

Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:54 am
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57475 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:54 am
In the Miles Era

124 total games
46 games trailing in the 4th.

37%

We win, but this stat shows we often win ugly, ultimately because of superior conditioning coupled with talent.

(Below credited to lsusteltz16)

LSU has trailed 63% of the time in the 4th qtr against ranked OOC opponents and all SEC opponents combined

compared to:
BAMA with Saban at 27%
UGA from 05-present is at 47%.
UF under Meyer was at 31%.

Conclusion: we are about 200% more likely to play down to our opponents relative to similar programs.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted by 2014Tigers
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2014
1067 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:55 am to
Is that called not preparing your players with a solid game plan or what?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:56 am to
ok. is that supposed to be bad? whats the norm?

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59371 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:57 am to
I've tried having the argument that the "4th quarter comeback" record may not necessarily be as good of a thing as it is portrayed to be. We have been down in the 4th quarter to inferior teams. Our style of play has also arguably cost us bowl games (the bowl record used to be a record that the miles fans bragged about).
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:06 am to
quote:

46 games trailing in the 4th...we often win ugly

What does that even mean, "win ugly"?

You mean like:



Wasn't that 2007 game against Florida considered one of the greatest and most exciting games in Tiger Stadium? (I've always liked that shot of Spikes' hand grabbing Hester's facemask)

What's ugly about winning a comeback in the 4th quarter?
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 10:14 am
Posted by SBC
Member since Oct 2005
6870 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:15 am to


That stats shows that we play in a tough conference and based on his 99 wins at LSU his teams more likely than not win.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:18 am to
quote:

superior conditioning.
^^^Coaching
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40233 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:28 am to
quote:

124 total games
46 games trailing in the 4th.

37%

We win, but this stat shows we often win ugly, ultimately because of superior conditioning coupled with talent.


WOW! You are upset that we are up 63% of the time

the rant never fails
Posted by Starrkevious Ringo
Member since Jul 2014
723 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:33 am to
Miles may be a crappy coach in plenty of areas, but if we're going to acknowledge that, we also need to acknowledge that recruiting and conditioning is also part of that thing called "coaching".

We know he's a lousy game day coach. That is unquestionable.

If we're to be totally honest, though, the fact that he has the kind of overall winning percentage that he does means that (thankfully) there are other components of coaching.

The real question everyone is dancing around here is "Has Miles finally run his course?"

It happens. He may have.

Let's revisit when the season is over.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:34 am to
quote:

We win, but this stat shows we often win ugly, ultimately because of superior conditioning coupled with talent.


No surprise that your dumbass would start a thread that contains this sentence.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38164 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:58 am to
So you're saying we know how to finish games?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:51 am to
That's like saying, we only win because of our ability to play defense. Who cares it's part of the game
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50529 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:59 am to
quote:

We win, but this stat shows we often win ugly, ultimately because of superior conditioning coupled with talent.


This is impossible considering the coaches NEVER make second half adjustments.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Since Miles Arrived: LSU has been down in the 4th quarter 37% of the time

That statistic is very telling, especially when you consider LSU has played AT LEAST 50-60% of teams with lesser talent.

It says a few things, really:

1- Les's usually strategy of slowing down the number of plays keeps lesser teams in the game longer. It only stands to reason that if you have superior talent you should run MORE plays, not fewer. It's the same with ping pong or volleyball or anything else.... if you play to one instead of 21 you give the guy with lesser talent a far greater chance of winning.

2- We have won on talent and depth, not on strategy or game planning.

3- We have lost some games we should have won, including against teams with talent on a par with LSU's.






Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32457 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:15 pm to
Play not to lose, and this is the result.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28375 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:25 pm to
I'll use the 37% number for this season. It equates to 4.5 games. Let's use 4.

Is it surprising that we could find ourselves down to four teams in the 4th quarter?

BTW, we've already covered two. Only two more to go. Law of averages.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67459 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:27 pm to
There is only 1 statistic that matters, and that is wins.

Unless Les proves he can't get it done anymore he is going to be here as long as he likes.

I have always supported Les, but Ill admit if this year goes South he better bounce back huge next year, or we need to start looking.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

LSU has trailed 63% of the time in the 4th qtr against ranked OOC opponents and all SEC opponents combined

So you're saying LSU is a really good 4th quarter team?
Posted by tigbit
Member since Jun 2011
2806 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

LSU has trailed in the 4th qtr 37% of the time total & 63% against quality opps


And still the students leave early.
Posted by Polycarp
Texas
Member since Feb 2009
5580 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:23 pm to
Close games in the 4th qtr is the only way to keep bandwagons in their seats.
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