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re: Mulsims seek protection from Islamophophia

Posted on 9/27/14 at 8:45 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124234 posts
Posted on 9/27/14 at 8:45 am to
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Since you obviously consider Sharpton and Jackson the unofficial spokesmen for all Black folks

Swing-and-a-miss.

I don't consider any person as "spokesman" for an Ethnicity. Ethnic groups tend not to be monolithic. Constituencies OTOH can be, and so can have spokespersons. E.g., the Pope for Catholics, etc.

As far as Sharpton and Jackson, I consider them as spokesmen for themselves. That's it. Nothing more. I view both as malignant self-serving FredPhelps-type firebrand extortionists. They do little in real terms to help any group they claim to represent, often doing more harm than good. Others like yourself, or members of the MSM may have a different POV. You're entitled to that of course.
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Sharpton and Jackson may speak out against Black-on-Black crime in the U.S., but I don't hear them speaking out about crimes committed by Blacks in Africa.

I guess I don't follow.
What does African crime have to do with American innercity violence?
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Do you expect the Muslim-American spokespersons to speak out against all Muslims crimes world-wide, or just crimes committed by Muslims in the U.S.?
I expect when a monstrous act is committed against an American in "the name of Islam," that it would be vigorously condemned not just by non-Muslim Americans as is always the case, but by Muslim Americans as well.
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What about Whites and Jews, are their spokespersons also expected to speak out when the bad elements among them commit a crime?
Spokespersons? No, as previously stated.

Members of those representative groups?
They do speak out. All the time.
Goodness! Do you not watch CNN? Do you not watch MSNBC? Do you not watch any news outlet? Do you not read a single newspaper?

This post was edited on 9/27/14 at 9:00 am
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:21 am to
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Swing-and-a-miss.

I don't consider any person as "spokesman" for an Ethnicity. Ethnic groups tend not to be monolithic. Constituencies OTOH can be, and so can have spokespersons. E.g., the Pope for Catholics, etc.

As far as Sharpton and Jackson, I consider them as spokesmen for themselves. That's it. Nothing more. I view both as malignant self-serving FredPhelps-type firebrand extortionists. They do little in real terms to help any group they claim to represent, often doing more harm than good. Others like yourself, or members of the MSM may have a different POV. You're entitled to that of course.

You put their names out there, I didn't. Why did you use them as examples if you don't think they're important?

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I guess I don't follow. What does African crime have to do with American innercity violence?

If you're demanding that Muslim-Americans speak out against violent acts committed by Muslims groups abroad like ISIS, it's only fair that you also demand this of other groups. In addition to acts of violence by Blacks in Africa, what about the acts of the violent, Jewish-supremacist, Israeli settlers who commit atrocities on a daily basis against Palestinians? Shouldn't you also be demanding that Jewish-Americans speak out against them?
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I expect when a monstrous act is committed against an American in "the name of Islam," that it would be vigorously condemned not just by non-Muslim Americans as is always the case, but by Muslim Americans as well.

You seem to be under some delusion that what happened in Oklahoma is a common occurrence in the U.S., instead of the rarity that it is. The fact of the matter is that number violence acts committed by Muslims in the U.S. is miniscule compared to the violent acts committed White folks, Black folks, Hispanics and Christians. If you're White, your murderer is most likely to be a White Christian #1 and a Black Christian #2, and if you're Black, your murderer is most likely to be a Black Christian #1 and a White Christian #2. IMO, both Blacks and Whites have a lot more to be ashamed of and to condemn than Muslims.

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They do speak out. All the time.

Goodness! Do you not watch CNN? Do you not watch MSNBC? Do you not watch any news outlet? Do you not read a single newspaper?

Please provide a link showing the leader of White folks speaking out against Adam Lanza.
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