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Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90833 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:52 pm to
I always get a good laugh out of liberals who push for more regulation and higher minimum wage on corporations then they only buy Chinese made products that were made in sweatshop factories using cheap labor.

Their reasoning? American products are too expensive. Well no shite dumbass and why do you think that is?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:54 pm to
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I happen to like it when companies spend money in my community, so I am more likely to buy things from companies that do so.



more likely how though?

Like now you go and see if they have something you need or want...

or you buy goods or services from them versus another location offering the same product or an equal service (this one I get even at a markup, unless we're talking about a material difference in price and the product isn't cheap)

I guess I just want to know if you'd buy something not as good or that you wanted less.

I get spending the extra markup for the same shite if it makes you feel good and doesn't really cost you significantly more. I guess I just don't get the notion that "holy shite I would buy this or sign up with them in a heartbeat if only they didn't/weren't/hadn't BLANK
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28711 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:57 pm to
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because it was made by a local company
no
You probably should. Helping your local economy helps yourself.
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do you think that companies are spending money in your community because they care about your community or because they want to encourage you to buy their shite?
I don't care what reason they have. All I care about is that they are putting money into my community.
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I bought a ps4 because I think it's better than xbox one, it will have better exclusives and it is also cheaper. So long as their money isn't being spent in a way that could reasonably impact me negatively...I don't give a shite.
And that's fine, you have your reasons for making purchasing decisions, and other people have theirs. A portion of your gaming dollars lines the pockets of a Japanese exec, and then to wherever he spends it, while an xbox buyer's dollars will line the pockets of an American exec, and then to wherever he spends it. Your choice, but neither you nor the xbox buyer are stupid, even if one gamer's decision came down to something other than bang for the buck.
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If sony starts pumping tens of millions into gun control in the united states, I will buy Microsoft...but again, I'm doing what he consumer should do...acting in my self interests.
And I think most consumers act in their own self-interests. You draw the line at supporting gun control, others vote with their dollars for other concerns.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:00 pm to
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I was part of a green program at work (drafted) and it was all to sell more shite.


yes, but it is hard to calculate the effect something like that has...and here's the really troubling part (consumers are liars) and even better, we don't always fully understand ourselves...shite, I think I'm answering that survey question honestly, but frick I don't know...

it's just so easy to say my reaction is positive or this influenced me this way, but deep down sometimes my motives and self interests are unknown even to me. plus people don't want to be assholes, so they may be less than honest...they're not as matter of fact as those surveys and studies.

there are a lot of variables that can never be accounted for

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28711 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:09 pm to
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more likely how though?

Like now you go and see if they have something you need or want...
I don't know, maybe? It's all marketing, no doubt. I might put a little more weight behind a form of marketing that helps me in some way, though.
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I guess I just want to know if you'd buy something not as good or that you wanted less.
Personally, I'm not going to buy something that I don't need or want just to support a company doing something I like. It would be better to just do whatever with my money directly, rather than funneling through a company, obviously. But if I can get something I need/want at the same time, I would pay a premium for something if it supports something I like (because it saves me the time of directly supporting it myself).
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I get spending the extra markup for the same shite if it makes you feel good and doesn't really cost you significantly more. I guess I just don't get the notion that "holy shite I would buy this or sign up with them in a heartbeat if only they didn't/weren't/hadn't BLANK
It's the same concept in reverse. Depriving a cause of dollars is as effective as giving dollars to another.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:10 pm to
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You probably should. Helping your local economy helps yourself


I'm not saying I don't buy locally, I'm saying that it does not influence my purchasing decisions.

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I don't care what reason they have

see this is one of the things I was curious about. This makes sense. getting your way who cares why. I don't care why this company found a cure for cancer, just that they did, and down the line to lesser things, but I'm unsure of the effectiveness of public relations. If everyone thinks that then why not just say "we suspended Adrian Peterson because all of you got really pissed off" "we did see the tape, and we told you we fricked up, you guys seem pretty pissed so we'll go ahead and suspend ray rice for even longer"
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And I think most consumers act in their own self-interests


good I hope so. the gun control thing may have been a bad example, but it is my self interests. frick if the amount were only a few million dollars I wouldn't care, it would have to be an extreme situation.

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gamer's decision came down to something other than bang for the buck.


but see, I could understand swinging microsofts way in that situation because the gap between the two is almost insignificant if it were something as extreme like sony donating half a billion to political groups that are trying to frick ME (key word) over

I'm talking about something unrelated to the product taking over the entire decision process

see now I'm losing myself. I guess some examples and the motivations can make sense...just not the ones made against self interest.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:13 pm to
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But if I can get something I need/want at the same time


thank you. and this is where I think companies really fail so many times

PRODUCT differentiation (though your example is differentiation) and uniqueness

sure everything has a substitute, but substituting for something unrelated to you and your interests seems strange
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:18 pm to
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Depriving a cause of dollars is as effective as giving dollars to another


I get that as well, but if you're buying the same damn thing just where you buy it, or there is an equal or more valuable alternative...again, I'm talking full boycott or social responsibility being a main driving force behind a purchasing decision.

and I'm given the impression that happens because companies all placate these groups or whatever, but why? is it like "why take the risk let's measure the cost versus the lost revenue" or is it "oh shite if we don't do this NOW people won't like us"

I don't get why companies think they can be liked...I'm not talking about brand strength and shite like that. Some of them seem proactive in warding off the PC crusaders. no one is even saying something and your doing it, and I KNOW it's not because you want to

long story short: the corporate culture, specifically public relations and community outreach just fricking perplexes me to no end because I don't know anyone who fricking cares.
Posted by UL-SabanRival
Member since May 2013
4651 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:36 pm to
You may not personally know any, but there certainly exist people who buy products based on the charitable causes of the company.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19384 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:39 pm to
I had a coworker tell me that she refused to eat at Chick-fil-A because of the owner's stance on gay marriage. Another said it is because she doesn't like that they make employees cover up tattoos. I told them that as long as their food is delicious I will continue eating there.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89606 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:47 pm to
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People are stupid.



I typically agree with constant cough. This is no exception.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
1927 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:41 pm to
My wife Loves Downton Abby. I have to admit, It ain't bad. Whenever Susan Sarandon comes on, she will change the channel.

Me: "Why did you change the channel"?
Her: "I can't stand her politics".
Me: "So you think that there is some kinda monitoring of the amount of electrons spent watching the show vs. watching the intro"?
Her: "I will not support her in any way".
Me: "You know Shirley Mclain is on that show".
Her: "Would you just be quiet"? "I want to watch the show". "Shirley Mclain is a liberal, but everyone knows she's crazy".
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:58 pm to
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I also avoid anything that says 'from recyclable material.'


I think you mean recycled.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
1927 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:34 pm to
Just another insight.

Women. Women spend the most money when it comes to "causes". If you can tap that market, "you're in like Flynn".

Me: "What kinda shoes are those"?
Niece: "They're Toms" "Everybody is wearing them because they give a pair to the poor children in Africa, for every pair purchased".

Women and shoes, ripe for exploitation. An aside, Toms seems legit philanthropically.



Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
36707 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:39 pm to
Yes, people are stupid
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:45 pm to
Fox u live in Austin right? Ask you neighbors why they are this way?
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
1927 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 7:02 pm to
Since their Save Lids to Save Lives campaign began in 1998, Yoplait has donated more than $25 million to Komen. In 2010 their annual maximum commitment was raised to $1.6 million.[58] In return, a major sponsor such as Yoplait obtains an exclusive contract; no other yogurt manufacturer (such as Dreyer's, who inquired in 2000) has the opportunity to use the branding.[59] In 2002, credit card operator American Express launched a "Charge for a Cure" campaign which claimed that "in the search for a cure, every dollar counts." The amount donated per qualifying transaction, regardless of purchase amount, was one penny.[60]
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
1927 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 7:06 pm to
In 2006 Major League Baseball partnered with Komen by selling and donating amounts from pink MLB Louisville Slugger bats, pink baseballs, and necklaces sold. On mother's day, breast cancer survivors are eligible to be used as bat girls in games that pink bats are used. MLB is a $1.2 Billion industry, donates around $100,000 a year.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 7:06 pm to
The world is run by cya cowards. That's the only way to advance.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
1927 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 7:07 pm to
In April 2010, Komen paired with fast food restaurant chain KFC to offer "Buckets for the Cure," a promotion in which fried and grilled chicken was sold in pink branded buckets. The collaboration garnered criticism from media outlets including The Colbert Report[72] and Bitch magazine,[58] and raised criticisms about the promotion of unhealthy eating habits and obesity, since obesity itself contributes to breast cancer.[73] KFC contributed over $4.2 million to Komen, the largest single contribution in the organization's history.[74] The partnership with KFC, which has since ended,
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