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re: U.S. and it's "partners" have begun airstrikes in Syria.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:18 pm to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:18 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
This applies to imminent attack. Obama is not responding to imminent attack, so, this part of the Charter does not provide clear legal authority. In fact, the Obama Administration has not, to my knowledge, bothered to cite this portion of the Charter because they know that it applies to imminent attack.
In any event, as I stated before THE DEBATE itself does not reveal your hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty. What reveals your hypocrisy is the fact that you were never interested in debating or considering the point before I pointed out the problem.
You were FINE with Obama's bombing because he's a Democrat like you. But for the past 11 years, you've considered Bush to be a war criminal.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:20 pm to Vegas Bengal
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We're not "bombing Syria", we're bombing the invaders of Iraq (and of Syria) who are in Syria and Iraq.
Obama's bombs are falling on sovereign Syrian territory, yes or no? If yes, then, he's conducting an armed attack on Syria without direct authorization from the UN Security Council because the action is not in immediate response to an imminent attack.
But, as I said, your utter hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty is in your TIMING, not in your new-found enthusiasm for debating the legality of Obama's armed attacks. Your TIMING tells us that as long as Obama is bombing you are FINE with the legality thereof and you aren't interested in the debate unless somebody notices that it might not be legal.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:20 pm to Champagne
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Was it an oversight on your part that you missed the fact that Obama's armed attacks are probably illegal under the UN Charter?
Article 51 says you're wrong. A nation has the right to defend against armed attack and has the right to have allies join in this defense.
This is basic international law. If Putin invaded Canada, canada doesn't need UN approval to defend herself. America doesn't need UN approval to aid in Canada's defense.
Now if the US wanted to invade canada, it would need UN approval.
This really is simple
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:21 pm to Champagne
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Now that you know it to be true, what is your reaction, given the vigorous support you've always given to the notion that Bush's armed attack on Saddam's Iraq was completely illegal under international law?
"probably"...my wife will "probably" give me a blow job tonite too.
"probably" generally doesn't get you anywhere.
Bush invaded a nation.
Obama is defending one.
I understand the distinction is difficult for you.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:21 pm to Champagne
quote:Well, the ISIL POS's we're allowing to enter the US, may lead to that imminent attack.
This applies to imminent attack.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:21 pm to Jbird
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Well fap on.
Oh I am!
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:23 pm to asurob1
Of course you are, I can see why you love some Obama. 
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:23 pm to Champagne
quote:
You were FINE with Obama's bombing because he's a Democrat like you. But for the past 11 years, you've considered Bush to be a war criminal.
Bush is a war criminal.
Once again..he invaded a country toppled the government...cost thousands of people their lives...all cause he wanted to kick someone's arse since he got caught with his pants down on 9/11.
Obama...he is trying to prop up the shitty government in Iraq. But hey...keep preaching your narrative.
Practice in the mirror ...I'm sure...someone might believe you...maybe even you will believe you.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:24 pm to asurob1
"Which side of the four should We bomb?"
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:24 pm to asurob1
quote:Where are these airstrikes occurring?
Obama is defending one.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:24 pm to Jbird
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Of course you are, I can see why you love some Obama.
Nah not really he has fricked up too much.
But I do love some Politard board.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:24 pm to TigerLicks
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"Which side of the four should We bomb?"
One of the ugly chicks.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:26 pm to Champagne
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Obama's bombs are falling on sovereign Syrian territory, yes or no?
They are falling on enemies of Syria and Iraq. What don't you get?
Let's expand my hypo... Putin invades Greenland and then Canada. Putin is going back and forth fighting both govts. Both Greenland and Canada have the right of self defense. And the US can aid Canada including attacking Putin in Greenland.
Now if the US were attacking Greenlands govt or attacking Russia then that would be a UN violation.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:26 pm to asurob1
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One of the ugly chicks.
They are all ugly chicks you evading ****
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:26 pm to asurob1
quote:RA'd war on ugly women.
One of the ugly chicks.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:27 pm to Vegas Bengal
Did Syria give it's authorization to drop bombs on it's country?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:27 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:I'll bet you'll find the first targets they took out were Syrian anti-aircraft batteries.
They are falling on enemies of Syria and Iraq. What don't you get?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:28 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Article 51 says you're wrong. A nation has the right to defend against armed attack and has the right to have allies join in this defense.
Article 51 does not say that I am wrong. Cite some case law demonstrating that Art 51 says that I'm wrong.
Obama needs to get some clarification from the UN on this. His armed attacks have a shaky legal basis.
The fact that you are POSITIVE that Obama is in the clear and you are POSITIVE that Bush's action was illegal demonstrates my point -- you are intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:29 pm to Jbird
quote:
RA'd war on ugly women.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:29 pm to Vegas Bengal
Did Syria give it's authorization to drop bombs on it's country?
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