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re: "You're Still a Superpower"

Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:31 pm to
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Does that take away from the merits of the opinion or something?
Absolutely.

The Middle East is a land made up of artificial borders governed by tyrants who stay in power thanks to the patronage of superpowers who desire a stable tap for the natural resources therein. The US is their last major patron. The Arab Spring scared the crap out of them because it showed that, at a minimum, the US was willing to stand aside and let a tyrant be overthrown (Egypt) and at a maximum, tip the scales against them (Libya), even when such a roll of the dice might come up snake eyes (aka Islamists). They can also see the future, where as NA shale oil makes more and more economic sense, and their reserves are increasingly either tapped or less economical, the US starts becoming disinclined to give a shite about that part of the world.

Therefore they have a vested interest in keeping the US engaged and propping up their horses. They want us convinced that the Islamists hate us for our freedom, not for our interference, and convinced that if we disengage, it will be catastrophe for us, and not for them. Similarly, they have a vested interest in pitting the Islamists against the Great Satan (you should hear what they say about us in Arabic), and not against their own crappy regimes. This is a strategy Saudi Arabia has worked to perfection for decades, as demonstrated by a cursory look at the passports of the 9/11 hijackers, their conspicuous absence from the list of countries we have intervened in afterwards, and the part of the commission report which states [REDACTED].

When I hear Middle Eastern diplomats kvetching about how America is blowing it, all I hear is tinpots asking for national security bailouts. When I hear bureaucrats whose chief complaint about Obama's policy is "he's not doing enough stuff," I only wish the rest of his Presidency featured the same complaints. (The stuff about centralization is a procedural red herring: the underlying, substantive complaint is that Obama isn't Obombing enough.)
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:58 pm to
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When I hear Middle Eastern diplomats kvetching about how America is blowing it, all I hear is tinpots asking for national security bailouts.
Maybe? But if there's one lesson from post-Saddam Iraq, it's that force is a necessary evil in the world. Hussein was a brutal dictator. Now we know why... their culture seems do worse in power vacuums.

I'm not sure that Obama's doing such a bad job, as much as they are doing it in such a poor fashion. Style points count.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:15 am to
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The Middle East is a land made up of artificial borders governed by tyrants who stay in power thanks to the patronage of superpowers who desire a stable tap for the natural resources therein. The US is their last major patron. The Arab Spring scared the crap out of them because it showed that, at a minimum, the US was willing to stand aside and let a tyrant be overthrown (Egypt) and at a maximum, tip the scales against them (Libya), even when such a roll of the dice might come up snake eyes (aka Islamists). They can also see the future, where as NA shale oil makes more and more economic sense, and their reserves are increasingly either tapped or less economical, the US starts becoming disinclined to give a shite about that part of the world.

Therefore they have a vested interest in keeping the US engaged and propping up their horses. They want us convinced that the Islamists hate us for our freedom, not for our interference, and convinced that if we disengage, it will be catastrophe for us, and not for them. Similarly, they have a vested interest in pitting the Islamists against the Great Satan (you should hear what they say about us in Arabic), and not against their own crappy regimes. This is a strategy Saudi Arabia has worked to perfection for decades, as demonstrated by a cursory look at the passports of the 9/11 hijackers, their conspicuous absence from the list of countries we have intervened in afterwards, and the part of the commission report which states [REDACTED].

When I hear Middle Eastern diplomats kvetching about how America is blowing it, all I hear is tinpots asking for national security bailouts. When I hear bureaucrats whose chief complaint about Obama's policy is "he's not doing enough stuff," I only wish the rest of his Presidency featured the same complaints. (The stuff about centralization is a procedural red herring: the underlying, substantive complaint is that Obama isn't Obombing enough.)




Interesting post and lots of food for thought including a couple angles I never thought about. I've always known about how we need the Mideast and their natural resources and why the Iraq war was incentive driven for some American politicians. I've never really thought about it from the middle easterners end and what vested interest they have in us.
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