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I am going to look like a terrible person for saying this (regarding suffrage)
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:20 pm
There is a very common belief that the more suffrage and voting there is, the better everything is. I tend to disagree. Let me defend myself by saying that if law and government, in present times, were actually kept in their traditional confines of protecting natural rights to life, liberty, and property, then I would be fine with mass voting. The problem though, is that the primary function of government these days is monetary transfer from one group to another in the form of benefits (pork, programs, etc). Because this is the current, unfortunate primary function of the state, it means that the more people that vote, the more interests there are in the picture, trying to claw and fight for the scarce resources that the government transfers from peter to Paul.
Someone in a recent thread said that he thinks a balanced budget is impossible. And I agree, for the reason I listed above.
You can call me a terrible person all you want, but mass suffrage and voting, combined with a government whose primary function is not protection of rights, but transferring of wealth, gets you to Bastiat's spot on definition of government:
Government is that great fiction, where everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else
Someone in a recent thread said that he thinks a balanced budget is impossible. And I agree, for the reason I listed above.
You can call me a terrible person all you want, but mass suffrage and voting, combined with a government whose primary function is not protection of rights, but transferring of wealth, gets you to Bastiat's spot on definition of government:
Government is that great fiction, where everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:24 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
#Repealthe19th
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So you anti liberty and anti American tradition? Democracy only for the rich?
Freedom for those who can afford to by it. Asking for a violent revolution. Damn
By the way life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Property is not appropriate here.
Freedom for those who can afford to by it. Asking for a violent revolution. Damn
By the way life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Property is not appropriate here.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'm actually in agreement.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Well hell, given your voting record of only voting for republicans, who cares what the candidate stands for, you should move to North Korea and hang out with this guy.
You guys have a lot in common.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Who is John Galt?
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
We have failed. Big time
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Don't feel like a bad person. It is actually an understandable position to hold.
I've always felt that the idea of being able vote simply for existing is counterproductive.
Something given does not have as much value as something taken or earned.
The problem arises when attempting to decide who gets to vote.
I'm partial to intelligence requirements, but the decision of how to measure that differs for many and there is no definitive test.
I've always felt that the idea of being able vote simply for existing is counterproductive.
Something given does not have as much value as something taken or earned.
The problem arises when attempting to decide who gets to vote.
I'm partial to intelligence requirements, but the decision of how to measure that differs for many and there is no definitive test.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yes you do look like a terrible person.
This stupid idea gets thrown around every month or two on here. Invariably people think it's the other side filled with idiots who shouldn't be allowed to vote.
This stupid idea gets thrown around every month or two on here. Invariably people think it's the other side filled with idiots who shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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HailHailtoMichigan!
Couldn't agree more. Well said.
One should have a stake to claim.... something to lose, to gain a vote. Just my opinion!
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
You will be lauded, idiot. "If Mary Landrieu didn't have a French last name she'd lose". How can anyone take anything you say seriously. You're either a clever troll or a moron. You're choice.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 3:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
There is a very common belief that the more suffrage and voting there is, the better everything is. I tend to disagree. Let me defend myself by saying that if law and government, in present times, were actually kept in their traditional confines of protecting natural rights to life, liberty, and property, then I would be fine with mass voting. The problem though, is that the primary function of government these days is monetary transfer from one group to another in the form of benefits (pork, programs, etc). Because this is the current, unfortunate primary function of the state, it means that the more people that vote, the more interests there are in the picture, trying to claw and fight for the scarce resources that the government transfers from peter to Paul.
Someone in a recent thread said that he thinks a balanced budget is impossible. And I agree, for the reason I listed above.
You can call me a terrible person all you want, but mass suffrage and voting, combined with a government whose primary function is not protection of rights, but transferring of wealth, gets you to Bastiat's spot on definition of government:
Government is that great fiction, where everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else
I've felt this way for quite some time. Maybe everyone should have a vote and you would get and additional vote for every $20k in federal taxes you pay.
Only property owners should have the right to vote on tax increases as well.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 3:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This is why I support a litmus test for all voters to be allowed to vote. You have to answer a 20 question test 70 percent correct to vote that year...do it on a computer screen in poll booth. 10 basic questions on how our Govt operates and 5 questions about the main stances of each candidate.
If you can't take the time to be informed of the basics then you don't deserve to vote because you don't really care
If you can't take the time to be informed of the basics then you don't deserve to vote because you don't really care
Posted on 9/19/14 at 3:24 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I respect your position and encourage you to back up your beliefs by no longer voting.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 3:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
1) NO party affiliation on ballots.
2) Each ballot has 5 multiple choice questions. These questions will be chosen from the same test immigrants have to take. The number of correct answers will determine the value of your vote. 1 correct = 20% of a vote and so on. Everyone would still be allowed to vote, but society wouldn't be punished anymore by the retards in our society getting an equal say in government.
Oh, the ballots will be in English. If you can't read English, then you can't read the Constitution.
2) Each ballot has 5 multiple choice questions. These questions will be chosen from the same test immigrants have to take. The number of correct answers will determine the value of your vote. 1 correct = 20% of a vote and so on. Everyone would still be allowed to vote, but society wouldn't be punished anymore by the retards in our society getting an equal say in government.
Oh, the ballots will be in English. If you can't read English, then you can't read the Constitution.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 3:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
There was a very obvious reason why the founders limited the franchise.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 4:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Haven't read this thread but I've always maintained that suffrage should be extremely limited.
Who should vote... Men, property owners, pass an IQ test, voter I.D.
Not vote.. Women, anyone on welfare, low IQ, no voter I.D.
You would end up getting much better leaders and have a more prosperous nation.
Notes... Low IQ and welfare would disenfranchise many blacks. But black males with normal intelligence and financial independence should vote.
OTOH...High IQ white females who are not on welfare should not vote. Because on 5 days of the month they cannot think rationally. And on the other 25 days they're not real close to logic.
Who should vote... Men, property owners, pass an IQ test, voter I.D.
Not vote.. Women, anyone on welfare, low IQ, no voter I.D.
You would end up getting much better leaders and have a more prosperous nation.
Notes... Low IQ and welfare would disenfranchise many blacks. But black males with normal intelligence and financial independence should vote.
OTOH...High IQ white females who are not on welfare should not vote. Because on 5 days of the month they cannot think rationally. And on the other 25 days they're not real close to logic.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 4:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If you don't pay taxes you don't get to vote.
That would put the dems in a catch 22.
If you aren't 25 you don't need to vote, we don't need young morons voting.
In bibical days there was ine vote per family.
That would put the dems in a catch 22.
If you aren't 25 you don't need to vote, we don't need young morons voting.
In bibical days there was ine vote per family.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 5:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Do you guys forget what board you're posting on? This isn't an unpopular opinion around these parts, silly as it may be.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 5:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You can call me a terrible person all you want, but mass suffrage and voting, combined with a government whose primary function is not protection of rights, but transferring of wealth, gets you to Bastiat's spot on definition of government:
I kind of agree with this.
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GeauxxxTigers23
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#Repealthe19th
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