re: So is Destiny sort of a flop at this point?

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Absolutely love the co-op and story mode but as others have said, the multiplayer is the definition of meh.

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I feel the exact opposite. The co-op is fun, but the missions are repetitive and the story just feels like bad sic-fi. I love the crucible, but I do wish there was a game type that removed supers and weapon upgrades.

Another issue I have is that you need to use their website for way too much stuff. Want to start a clan? Go to bungie.com. Annoyed we told the story poorly and want understand the lore more by looking at all those G---- cards? Go to the website. Redeem a code? Website.

No trading either seems dumb when you can get class specific items.