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re: 9/11 After 13 years
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:37 am to Champagne
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:37 am to Champagne
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Anybody know where those black boxes ended up?
The recorders from Flights 93 and 77 were found. Those from 11 and 175 were not.
You are aware that Flight 11 and 175 were involved in high speed collisions with, multiple story fires within and ultimately complete, pancake collapes of 2 thousand-foot skyscrapers, correct?
A firefighter who worked in the recovery indicated - I can't directly quote, but this is a very accurate paraphrase:
We worked for weeks at that site. These were 100+ story office buildings, full of desks, filing cabinets, computers, and so forth. The biggest piece of debris I found, other than part of the building itself, was part of the keypad from a phone (holding fingers about 2 inches apart.)
Therefore, while designed to sustain a crash and fire (again 93 and 77's did), perhaps it isn't all that shocking to imagine the fire (potential energy of roughly half a megaton of explosives from the aircraft) and force of the collapse of 2 ~300,000 metric ton buildings, might be just enough to pulverize 2 well built pieces of technology. Maybe?
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 11:39 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:40 am to Poodlebrain
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As reported by Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:42 am to Ace Midnight
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Therefore, while designed to sustain a crash and fire (again 93 and 77's did), perhaps it isn't all that shocking to imagine the fire (potential energy of roughly half a megaton of explosives from the aircraft) and force of the collapse of 2 ~300,000 metric ton buildings, might be just enough to pulverize 2 well built pieces of technology. Maybe?
Why, no. Those boxes are indestructible. They were found, in one piece and fully operational, and spirited off, under cover of darkness, to Dick Cheney's basement, where they are to this day. Didn't you know that?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:42 am to TX Tiger
If the black box is the only part of the plane that survives a crash intact...why not just build the whole plane out of that stuff?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:42 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:I wish for truth and justice for the thousands murdered on that day and for the millions killed/displaced that followed.
You must be like a kid on Christmas, when you wake up on this day every year, huh?
If you think that day brings me the slightest amount of joy, you are one sick and sad individual.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:45 am to TX Tiger
I'm not a flag waver and pretty much despise the corrupt animal that is the federal government, but this is retarded.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:47 am to TX Tiger
I agree the US federal govt has become too authoritarian over it's very own citizens since 9-11. But, this article didn't mention the backing of the 9-11 terrorists, both financially and logistically, by the Saudi elites and the Saudi government.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:47 am to TX Tiger
Oh the irony is thick with these types...
One one hand the government executes the most elaborate cover-up in the history of mankind with decades of planning across multiple continents involving enemies of enemies of enemies all culminating in an attack on our home soil.
On the other hand, the same group bitches to no end about the grand incompetency of the same government.
One one hand the government executes the most elaborate cover-up in the history of mankind with decades of planning across multiple continents involving enemies of enemies of enemies all culminating in an attack on our home soil.
On the other hand, the same group bitches to no end about the grand incompetency of the same government.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:52 am to Ace Midnight
quote:And yet a paper passport made it through all that, in near pristine condition, helping to identify one of the "terrorists" on board.
Therefore, while designed to sustain a crash and fire (again 93 and 77's did), perhaps it isn't all that shocking to imagine the fire (potential energy of roughly half a megaton of explosives from the aircraft) and force of the collapse of 2 ~300,000 metric ton buildings, might be just enough to pulverize 2 well built pieces of technology. Maybe?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:53 am to TX Tiger
The real question is who had the audacity to walk into the boys restroom, go up to the urinal, pull down their pants, squat over the urjnal maybe spread their butt cheeks a little, and lay out a big fudge dragon for all the world to see
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:54 am to TX Tiger
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I wish for truth and justice for the thousands murdered on that day and for the millions killed/displaced that followed.
You really only have 2 choices (3 if you're TF and others - the J-O-O theory) - either OBL and Al Queda, from their sanctuaries in Afghanistan and Pakistan, carried out the 9/11 attacks, or the U.S. government did it as a false flag operation.
I'm having trouble coming up with a 3rd possibility. I mean, they tried to take the towers in 1993 - it's not like that particular target was even a surprise or unexpected.
The use of airplanes was relatively ingenius - however, Clancy had covered that in one of his novels (Debt of Honor), including an attack on the U.S. Capitol Building (eerily similar, IMHO), so it wasn't exactly a new idea.
I believe that AQ and OBL carried out the attacks. I believe that OBL was either not as sick as it was believed and/or acquired moderately effective treatment just before or after the attacks - now I believe he may have been spirited away to Pakistan as early as 2002, but certainly no later than 2004/2005.
Our over-reliance on technical intelligence means and relatively underdeveloped and ineffective HUMINT capabilities led to the prolonged hunt for OBL.
He wasn't much more than a figurehead from 2004 - out of necessity, AQ became even more decentralized than they were before. More of a "brand" than a true top-down organization - ISIS/ISIL is about the first true cohesive organization to form in the aftermath of 9/11.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:54 am to Poodlebrain
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Western elites desire to loot Russia, a juicy prize, and there stands Putin in the way. The solution is to get rid of him like they got rid of President Yanukovich in Ukraine.
He should have backed this with facts. For example, US State Dept's Victoria Nuland admitted sending 5 billion to rebels in Kiev. And during her "frick the EU" phone call, she was plotting to overthrow Yanokovich , then replace him with the puppet govt currently in Kiev.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:55 am to schexyoung
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One one hand the government executes the most elaborate cover-up in the history of mankind with decades of planning across multiple continents involving enemies of enemies of enemies all culminating in an attack on our home soil.
Not only that, with possibly thousands of people involved planting explosives, planning, etc....they've managed to keep it under wraps in this age of social media.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:56 am to TX Tiger
Just how many people are in on this international conspiracy? In order to perpetuate the cover up it requires new conspirators every day. Yet not one conspirator has come forward with tangible evidence and expressed remorse for participating in this enormous international conspiracy that has cost tens of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, toppled governments and displaced millions of people.
When did the conspiracy begin? What were the aims of the original conspirators? Who were the original conspirators? Surely Mr. Roberts must know the answers to these questions. Why hasn't he, you or anyone else provided provable answers to these questions?
When did the conspiracy begin? What were the aims of the original conspirators? Who were the original conspirators? Surely Mr. Roberts must know the answers to these questions. Why hasn't he, you or anyone else provided provable answers to these questions?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:56 am to araminta
quote:True, this article only scratches the surface and is a generalization of what might have happened that day.
I agree the US federal govt has become too authoritarian over it's very own citizens since 9-11. But, this article didn't mention the backing of the 9-11 terrorists, both financially and logistically by the Saudi elites and the Saudi government.
But it has been a concern of mine that NOBODY, not "truthers" not MSM, talk about the money aspect of 9/11.
Cui bono?
As my good friend LSURussian so aptly put it, "It's about money. It's always about money."
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:05 pm to TX Tiger
I don't even know why I clicked on this.
I can't miss a train wreck, I guess.
I can't miss a train wreck, I guess.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:05 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I don't believe either one of those. I also believe it is narrow-minded to think that these are the only two possibilities.
You really only have 2 choices (3 if you're TF and others - the J-O-O theory) - either OBL and Al Queda, from their sanctuaries in Afghanistan and Pakistan, carried out the 9/11 attacks, or the U.S. government did it as a false flag operation.
quote:Just like man-made Global Warming and organized religion, it would be easier for me to believe it if trillions in profit didn't depend on me believing it.
I believe that AQ and OBL carried out the attacks.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:07 pm to TX Tiger
If you believe the loony toon fairy tale, can you please tell me what happened to the $trillions in natural resources in natural resources we were supposed to get in Afghanistan? Im not even going to ask you who was supposed to have recovered the goods as I know answering to specific questions about the fairy tale is too hard.
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