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re: Oscar Pistorius has been found not guilty of murdering Reeva Steenkamp
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:34 am to Zach
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:34 am to Zach
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why does the name Thokozile remind me of a pharmaceutical product?
Side effects may include becoming infatuated with former Olympic athletes. If you develop Olympic infatuation stop using Thokozile immediately and consult your local witch doctor.
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:34 am to sugar71
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Are there still lesser charges than pre-meditated?
Yes, the judge will announce that tomorrow... But it sounds like she hinted to him being found not guilty of that too.
fricking incredible. Judge said that witnesses may not have heard her screaming, that it may have been him screaming in a high pitched manor
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:36 am to Tiger1242
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My extremely non expert opinion is this is fair. He somehow mistook her as a home invader and shot her through the door, definitely negligence, but I don't think he murdered her intentionally
I don't buy that nonsense , but I agree legally that 'premeditated' may be hard to prove.
Is that the easy way to the rid oneself of a family member? Just claim "I thought it was an intruder? Absolute bs.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:37 am to Jbird
Okay, I read his bio. My appearance was well-timed.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:38 am to The Third Leg
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Okay, I read his bio. My appearance was well-timed.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:38 am to Tiger1242
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My extremely non expert opinion is this is fair. He somehow mistook her as a home invader and shot her through the door, definitely negligence, but I don't think he murdered her intentionally
No. Witnesses heard her scream with the first shot. They heard him keep shooting till she was dead. I would recognize my wife's scream through a door and stop shooting. Besides, why would he scream like a girl while shooting? He had the gun.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:39 am to sugar71
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I agree legally that 'premeditated' may be hard to prove.
I don't think for one second it was premeditated, but have no doubt it was an act of passion.
You wake up, thinking someone is breaking into your home, and when you get out of bed, you don't notice that your gf is not in bed? Come the frick on.
Also, wasn't there evidence of her being on her computer/email/etc moments before the murder took place?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:39 am to Zach
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BTW, why does the name Thokozile remind me of a pharmaceutical product?
Zach . I must admit I chuckled at your obsession with names.
Googled & it's called Onomamania. You have it bad.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:40 am to Zach
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Witnesses heard her scream with the first shot.
I thought that neighbors also indicated arguing shortly before the shots/screams took place?
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:43 am to sugar71
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Zach . I must admit I chuckled at your obsession with names.
True story. A local DJ has a friend named Miller who is engaged to his fiance whose last name is also Miller. Can't remember first names so I'll call them John Miller and Mary Miller.
Well, Mary insists that she wants hyphenated name after marriage. Thus, she will be Mary Miller-Miller. John says it's retarded. The wedding is on hold till they settle the dispute.
I'm with John on this one.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:45 am to sugar71
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I don't buy that nonsense , but I agree legally that 'premeditated' may be hard to prove.
Is that the easy way to the rid oneself of a family member? Just claim "I thought it was an intruder? Absolute bs.
I dk man, like I said, extremely non expert opinion
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:49 am to Zach
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I'm with John on this one.
Seconded.
How hard is it for her to just say "I kept my own name!" if one of her feminist friends asked about it?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:06 am to Lsut81
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You wake up, thinking someone is breaking into your home, and when you get out of bed, you don't notice that your gf is not in bed? Come the frick on.
Also, wasn't there evidence of her being on her computer/email/etc moments before the murder took place?
Not sure about what she was doing before(he claims he thought she was in the same bed from which he retrieved the gun) ,but the 1st thing I would do if I heard a noise is look for the woman I claim I am protecting/love.
How the hell does ONE human being(a single judge) have the power to decide a persons fate in a murder trial ?. This system seems too susceptible to corruption.
I heard they did away with jurors in 1960's ,but they should at least have a panel of perhaps 3 judges to rule on murder trials.
Can you imagine one person to make a judgement without consulting her peers(other judges) at least? And a very wealthy family at that.
Can anyone give a brief history of this 1 judge system & why is it so?(Apartheid issues? ) They may need to reevaluate this system.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:08 pm to Jbird
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OJ Pistorius walks.
He did have an extra spring to his steps as he left court.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:44 pm to GeeOH
Still wouldnt want to be in his shoes
Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:29 pm to Lsut81
Neighbors heard them arguing. Then they heard her screaming. The security guard called after the shots and asked if everything was ok. Pestorius responded over the phone that everything was fine.
What puzzles me is that the judge couldn't find intent to kill. You are firing volleys of bullets, center mass, blindly and indescrimanately through a locked door and you can't assume REASONABLE that a person might be killed?
What puzzles me is that the judge couldn't find intent to kill. You are firing volleys of bullets, center mass, blindly and indescrimanately through a locked door and you can't assume REASONABLE that a person might be killed?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:32 pm to sugar71
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How the hell does ONE human being(a single judge) have the power to decide a persons fate in a murder trial ?.
Often the case in U.S. trials. Doesn't the defendant have the choice of jury or judge?
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This system seems too susceptible to corruption.
Also, often the case in U.S. trials
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 2:18 pm to sugar71
Based on the testimony of the alleged argument - and screaming and yelling and the trajectory of the rounds and wounds and layout of the bathroom.
It sounds more like our version of Heat of Passion murder = manslaughter.
But not as low as "negligent homicide." I don't buy that he "awoke" - didn't notice his GF wasn't in bed with him - but out of fright - immediately grabbed his gun - took the time to put on his legs...and then fired 5 shots without saying a word...
It sounds more like our version of Heat of Passion murder = manslaughter.
But not as low as "negligent homicide." I don't buy that he "awoke" - didn't notice his GF wasn't in bed with him - but out of fright - immediately grabbed his gun - took the time to put on his legs...and then fired 5 shots without saying a word...
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 10:08 am to Zamoro10
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Based on the testimony of the alleged argument - and screaming and yelling and the trajectory of the rounds and wounds and layout of the bathroom.
It sounds more like our version of Heat of Passion murder = manslaughter.
But not as low as "negligent homicide." I don't buy that he "awoke" - didn't notice his GF wasn't in bed with him - but out of fright - immediately grabbed his gun - took the time to put on his legs...and then fired 5 shots without saying a word...
Agree. If I am the victims family I would be upset as well.
The only thing that could give me any consolation now is that the Judge corrects herself & gives him the maximum(15 years ) or near maximum.
Insane that 'manslaughter ' sentencing n South Africa can range from Suspended sentence to 15 years.
This is the same judge that basically bought the Pistorious ridiculous defense so I am not sure how tough her sentencing will be.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 10:16 am to Holden Caulfield
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Often the case in U.S. trials. Doesn't the defendant have the choice of jury or judge?
And defendants rarely ever ,ever choose a bench trial(single judge) over a jury for a reason. I am reading that the percentage of bench trials in the US is less than 5% percent(or lower) & certainly low single digits.
Not so much 'corruption' with US jurors as biases/prejudices. With a jury you may have several people that empathize with you instead of a single person with your life in their hands.
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